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  1. #1
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    new york city burbs

    Dummies and planing

    I havent been asked to leave yet, so Ill just keep this attempted build rolling, from start(the purchase of raw lumber)to finish.

    What I know about planing wood could be written on a matchbook cover.

    What I learned today:
    1.Always make sure, no matter how heavy a machine is, its secure on a base or floor.
    2.Long boards flex, and if you dont support them 100% along the way, Snipe, yes, until a few days ago, I thought Snipe was a guy I watched in action flicks, snipe is going to happen for sure.
    3.If the machine is unsupported even for a split second, the blades of the planer will gouge out whereever they are at that point
    4.Everything can be corrected with patience and I found it its a learning experience more about touch and getting to know, feel and understand a machine than it might be about outright skill.
    5.My 20 something y/o Genie shop vac will not cut it as the dust collector for a planer
    6.without a dust collector, planing is by far the most sawdust producing element of woodworking.(so far for me at least)
    7.It doesnt pay to get frustrated, I bought 200 BF of wood for a job I might be able to do with 100BF or less, so its an investment in learning.
    8.Ask questions, I just dont want to wear out my welcome here.

    The operation, first time ever touching a planer:
    I set the carriage down after reading the instuctions, yes, I have to read instructions.
    The first piece the blade hardly touched, so I moved it down, and the fun began.
    I ran the first board through 3 passes, both sides, and had not a single problem.
    I ran the second board through, the machine stopped rolling it, I let go, the board tilted the machine up, it cut into the wood, the ends got all sniped up.
    I unplugged the machine, checked it all out, reattached the dust duct just to make sure it was unclogged, and started it up again. The wood, with me supporting it as level as I could get, ran smooth unti I reached around 3/4 inch.
    So I had to run the first board again, just out of curiosity, and one llittle foul up, but it ran smoothly.

    The boards finally planedClick image for larger version. 

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    the mess was unreal, the rain made nice mahogany paste out of alot of the dust, so cleaning it was not an easy taskClick image for larger version. 

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    and the day began, with the client complaining last night the stand I built him, was too high, and since I need him for computer repair and machinery assembly, I decided to unscrew the top and recut the height of the legs.
    So I unscrewed the top, but there was glue and a brad holding it, so I grabbed the hard rubber mallet and gave a whack, but I succeeded in only smashing my pinky, so at 9am, I saw stars, in a cloudy sky.
    But it got cut, gotta keep the clients happy.Click image for larger version. 

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  2. #2
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    new york city burbs
    I should be receiving the side shelves for the machine so at least it will offer another 2 feet of support, which I found out is very important.
    I will build a piece to put on my rolling table that allows the wood to slide onto a surface level with the shelf.(when I plane alot of boards)
    I tried to match up grain, they looked alike unplaned, but are different now.
    Going to slice them up a bit over 3 inchs, and glue up 3 or 4 to make some table legs, or at least Im going to attempt this. I wont cut anymore long cuts till I get my new blades, which should be today, so Ill do some cuts and glue ups tomorrow.
    Anyone that can give me a pointer or two with the planing or the glueups, Id greatly appreciate it.
    Once again, I know most of this stuff happenned 25 years ago for most of you, but this is new terrain for me.
    When I sold my TS the other night, the guy that bought it looked around 45.
    Told me hes been doing this for over 30 years.
    I reallized then being in my mid fifties, I have alot of catching up to do, and not alot of time to do it.

    btw, to the guys that manufacture the Dewalt735 planer. As a fairly new woodworker, I will offer my honest opinion on this and any other piece of equipment or accessory you offer me. I am totally unbiased, have no financial interest in any company manufacturing machines, have no ties to any site or retail establishment that sells any of these products and I consider myself a somewhat intelligent person who can read. You will never get a more honest review of a tool from someone like me if you want to hit the newcomers market.(the dummies remark inthe title is only because I try to add a bit of humor)
    Last edited by allen levine; 11-06-2008 at 05:13 PM.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    most of woodbutcherie is a hands on/smash your thumb kinda thing in the first place you`re right on schedule.
    what specifically are you having trouble with?
    as far as a planer feeding properly.....apply furniture wax to the bed frequently......think of wax as grease for boards. wax your tablesaw top and any other surfaces that you want wood to slide freely on.
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  4. #4
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    new york city burbs
    I believe 90% of my problems came from the lack of support on one end or the other. Feeding level and outfeed level seems to keep the machine running smoothly.
    I will wax the surface.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Southern Louisiana
    hey allen,

    in your situation where you have to move things around a good bit, some inexpensive roller stands should help alot with material support. one on infeed and one on outfeed. i believe i got mine at HD for around 19.99, maybe a little less. a good investment though.

    as for dust collection, the 735 should sufficiently remove the dust from the planer with the blower fan. all you should need is a hose leading to a dust bin. i have actually found that when my Delta DC is hooked to my dad's 735, that it causes problems with suction. maybe because the DC is sucking and the 735 is blowing in additional air. someone with more knowledge of DC and how they work could probably answer that question though.

    you should be very happy with that planer.

    and trust me no one is gonna run you off for asking questions. chances are someone else wants to ask too but doesn't feel comfortable. and by you asking, you help them as well.

    happy planing, and cleaning unfortunately


  6. #6
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    new york city burbs
    IM going to glue up a few pieces to make table legs.
    Im going to oversize them both ways, so I can cut them down to almost the size I want on the tablesaw, then can I plane all four sides for a smooth finish?(can I plane end grains like that?)

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Plainwell, Michigan
    Feed tables and rollers will help Allen. As said before a dimes thickness raised on the infeed and outfeed tables helps with snipe. I do not have feed tables or rollers so I so not do full board legnths. I rough cut legnths a few inches over finished legnth and plane. I also lift us slightly when feeding into and when comming out of the planer with (most of the time) no snipe. As for dust control I have a 1hp delta attatched to it and for me dakes care of the dust. does fill a bag quickly

    Have fun with it, it is one of my favorite tools to use


  8. #8
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    Nov 2006
    Delton, Michigan
    ok allen as for the planning after your glue ups go..glue isnt a planers freind.. scrape it of after it had time to to tack up some to help in the removal.. as for sizing your legs i would use a jointer after you saw to apporx size.. i know some folk run there rails and stiles on edge for cabinets but i have never done that.. you can end up with grian running oppsite directions on your legs and have amjor tear out.. as for the planer makin dust it sure does.. also its alot easier to do with a helping hand say a neighbor or your wife, anyone to help catch it coming out the other end..

    also to second chris's motion,,, you dont have to worry about asking any question here,, we all are either in the same boat as you or have been previously.. so dont worry about tryun to catch up just ask and enjoy your hobby... no question is a bad one!!!!
    Last edited by larry merlau; 11-06-2008 at 06:04 PM.
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  9. #9
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    Mar 2008
    new york city burbs
    I hope this works.
    One of those rain gutters extenders.
    I cut off one end, and it fits snug and perfect, and it bends and holds shape.
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  10. #10
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    Oct 2006
    ABQ NM
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Mire View Post
    ...and trust me no one is gonna run you off for asking questions. chances are someone else wants to ask too but doesn't feel comfortable. and by you asking, you help them as well...
    I'll second Chris' comment. For every guy that asks questions, there are a lot of others who have the same question but are afraid to ask. Keep 'em coming.
    When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. - Hunter S. Thompson
    When the weird get going, they start their own forum. - Vaughn McMillan

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