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    Quote Originally Posted by Royall Clark View Post
    Keep posting Allen! Just wish I had a little more time to post more often. One thing I might mention, something that happened to me several years ago when I glued up an oak top for a mission style end table. I had used biscuits to help align the boards and then sanded. I wish I would have waited several days before sanding the top because the glue around the biscuits had caused the wood to swell! After the the glue dried it shrank back and you could see an out line in the top above each biscuit! I didn't notice it at all.
    I didn't have real good light in the old shop and missed it until I brought it into the house. It wasn't real noticeable but I knew it was there.
    In my limited use with biscuits, Ive never seen any swelling, but Ill look out for this. Im glad I only glued up 12 inches so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allen levine View Post
    oh man, I read and read and read and almost everywhere I read suggested that glueing up in widths less than 4 inch gives more stability and decreases the chances of cupping and bending, and I just wanted to glue up 4 boards, .....I will take that into total advisement before I make the buffet. thankyou.(lemme tell ya, I dont know if the wood he told me is old growth, a few pieces and he said I wont get too many chances to get it at that price, and it reallly looked beautiful, darker, richer, wavier grains, and it broke my heart to slice that)
    Allen, I do understand what you are saying. I have also read many articles by "Supposed Experts" recommending using ONLY narrow strips for glue-ups, but over the last fifty plus years, I have made quite a few tables and have not had any of them cup or curl up yet and I have NEVER ripped a nice wide board to prevent cupping or curling yet. (NOTE:::: I certainly am NOT Saying it CAN'T happen) I do get pretty "persnickety" when selecting the pieces of wood wood to use for the tops, and then I also alternate the curl of the grain pattern for the glue up, (looking at the ends of the boards), although some say this isn't necessary, but it was the way I was taught and it has always worked for me, soooooooo..... I'll stick with that procedure.

    Note 2: Now "IF" you were making a project using something like a flat-sawn soft wood, I'd say that ANYTHING could happen to that top.

    Hope some of this helps. At the rate you're turning out projects, you're going to have a wealth of personal experience MUCH sooner than Most woodworking folks, so keep up the good work.

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    posting pictures of my actual work, from raw wood on, is sorta like the first time I had to change into a bathing suit in an open locker room for swim class in 7th grade.

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    Not going to picture the locker room But your projects, post at will All good stuff. I just wish I had your energy, King of the flatlanders for sure

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    Allen I didn't see it until about two months after coming into the house. I sat down in the old easy chair and the light was coming through the window just right and there is was, little "football" dimples between each joint.

    If there is anything there that I caused, I hope someone else chimes in so I don't make the same mistake again!
    Aloha,

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    Quote Originally Posted by allen levine View Post
    posting pictures of my actual work, from raw wood on, is sorta like the first time I had to change into a bathing suit in an open locker room for swim class in 7th grade.
    Just like back then, we're all sitting back, amazed and impressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royall Clark View Post
    Allen I didn't see it until about two months after coming into the house. I sat down in the old easy chair and the light was coming through the window just right and there is was, little "football" dimples between each joint.

    If there is anything there that I caused, I hope someone else chimes in so I don't make the same mistake again!
    when I got home from work last night, I ran into the garage to look at the glueup.
    I first left most of the lights off, figured if its ruined, Ill sort of slide into the view, but it was ok, even I was impressed.
    Im going to get busy on the final glueups tomorrow, if the weather isnt too cold.

    I have one question.
    If the table top is approx 40x60 inchs, how far off from each side or end should I set the table legs(2.5 inch square), attached to 3.5 inche wide aprons. simple Mt joints, simple looking table.

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    Time to throw in the towel today!!!!!



    got up bright and early, figured ok, today I glue up second set of strips, cut the few more I need, cut the aprons, maybe mortise out the legs for the aprons, maybe even cut the apron tenons, and give the garage a good dust clean up.
    And when I had my coffee in hand at 9 am, I should have stopped right there and went back inside.
    The first glue up, looked ok,Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	25644 , the piece on right is the aged wood,no major gaps, only a small ding on top, Ill have to fill with something.(other side I didnt like)
    I started to glue up second set, I put on my dust mask, just because of the biscuit cutter, and my glasses fell off and the frame broke apart.
    Im lost without my glasses, so my wife spent 30 minutes finding an eyeglass repair kit, and she put them back together.
    When I reached down to pick up my glasses on the floor, I knocked over the biscuit cutter, and the front fence height adjusment knob fell off, cracked off, I dont know, it wont go back on.Click image for larger version. 

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    I finally glued it up, and it came out better than the first glue up.Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	25643I cut up some scraps and put long bolts in each end to clamp down both sides, just a bit more clamping power.
    (one piece short, since I thought I noticed a hairline split and today I took a visegrip and held the board and managed to see the split was all the way down, so I had to junk that board, and that left me short, but I had to glue up more anyway, so just a board foot in the garbage.(and some time)
    I pushed my first piece through to get a straight edge, and I have no clue what happenned, the piece was a quarter inch off of fence in jig, and I pushed it more like a jerk, and the blade screamed, and boom, the power went off.
    I went inside, hit all the circuit breakers, nada.
    I went into the garage, theres a 2 old fashioned fuse box, sure enough, blew it, and I dont have a replacement in house.Click image for larger version. 

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    (I grabbed my contractor neighbor cause I had no clue what really happenned)
    He told me where to go locally so no Home Depot on sunday.
    I must have killed that blade, cause then the misery began, I could not get the wood to go through the saw straight, with the jig, it kept moving, and I cut up alot of wood, 18 inches down to 12 inches,Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	25647 and it still is not straight,Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	25648 and thats when I decided to call it a day.
    I was about to kick the tablesaw and bust my foot, so all the plans today got dumped in the garbage.
    What a frustrating day, morning. (and things were going so smoothly.)

    I apologize to the board, I just wanted to vent, and I had my camera in my hoodie, so I snapped a few pictures, just moving stuff along.
    I also broke a glass jar of screws which fell all over the floor when I laid the biscuit cutter back down, so that took me 25 minutes to clean up. Was too busy saying nasty things to snap a picture. I almost threw the camera throught the window at that point.
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    hey Robert,Todd, etc, just showing you guys what its like to be on the other side of things.(the hands on type of learning, dont know what Im doing, learning it as I go along, hoping things come out somewhat straight.)

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    wow allen i can feel for ya,, remeber when i broke one door for my hutch? i wasnt having a good day then either.. it happens and sometimes things happen for the better we just dont see it yet.. get ahold of thos tauton books i mentioned and they will give you some good readin while your coolin back down before you get back on the horse for another ride you have surly had tought things to work threw before and you can do this one too... just ask and someone will help
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