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    Dust collection?

    I have a few questions about a purchase I'm in desperate need of.
    I work in an open garage, so its not about air filtration or anything like that.
    Its just about the amount of sawdust and chips that are into everything, and the massive amount of time I have to spend blowing out and cleaning up everything constantly.

    What I need" 120v machine, no more than 15-18 amp max draw.
    One port is fine, but Id prefer 2 so I can hook it up either to jointer and planer in prepping wood, or tablesaw and mitre when working with it.
    It has to be on wheels, and its base cant be much more than 2 feet wide in either direction. Height is not big factor, but cant be any higher than 6 feet..
    If one of those little 1 hp floor units I see for 150 bucks is sufficient, even though they are one port, Id consider it.
    Im guessing the 1 or 5 micron filtration is the particle size, not as important to me since I just want something to keep the waste under control.
    Id like to keep the purchase under 250, and Id like to have a unit that has plastic bags that hold the dust so its easy to empty.


    there are tons of them on the market, Im ready to buy. I know there are alot of non pro types here that work out of their garages, and I was wondering what units you use and if you're happy with them so I can make a purchase based on opinion and performance.

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    Hi Allen

    My strict advice on this subject is before you spend a penny and are buying again at a later stage having wasted your money, read the Bill Pentz website re Dust Collection etc. This is one of the best most highly recommended sources of knowledge on the subject. My Dust collector is my most expensive tool and the biggest single investment I have made in my shop. You have experienced the cold. Next you will heat your shop. Then you will find that in order to save the heat you dont want to have the doors open to get rid of the dust. One thing leads to the other. At the end of the day, its all about your health. I have been enjoying tracking your posts. You have the bug now just like the rest of us and currently I see you and Stu in Japan competeing for the prize of top tool buyers for 2008 But when it comes to dust collection it is about dust and the biggest stuff. To save your health and be able to do this hobby in the longer run, you need to deal with the small stuff that will affect you slowly just like smoking. Read Bills site and see what it did to him. Then decide again how you wish to deal with the dust. Bill has low cost solutions so its not neccessarily about money. I just bought mine out of incompetence and impatience. Stu has a story on his site of how he built his and there are many more.

    http://billpentz.com/woodworking/Cyclone/index.cfm

    By the way I dont mean to sound like a lecturer just a very serious subject that I think gets treated too lightly by the machine manufacturers and there are many "dust collectors" out there that should not be on the market IMHO.

    Bets of luck on this adventure, I am glad my days of choosing one are over now I just have to get the install completed.
    cheers

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    can anyone tell me if the one horsepower floor units with one 4 inch port will be sufficient to suck the wood chips out of the planer/and or jointer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by allen levine View Post
    can anyone tell me if the one horsepower floor units with one 4 inch port will be sufficient to suck the wood chips out of the planer/and or jointer?
    I ran a Delta AP400, 1HP bag unit for 3 years. I gained quite a bit of performance when I upgraded to an American Fabric Filter bag (about $100). I have just finished re-tasking the unit for my jointer and planer only.

    Before: The unit was OK for the jointer but was always lacking for the planer. This was with the hose wye'd with blast gates to various machines. Only one gate open at a time but about 20 feet of hose.

    After: I now have one shorter hose with a quick coupler that I will move from the jointer to the planer as required. I just finished this setup last night but I will test it for you tonight and let you know how it works.

    I am hoping it will work better hooked directly to the planer. I always got chips blowing back out of the machine on thinner cuts. My dad's 2HP unit doesn't let a thing escape from his planer and that is what I am striving for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allen levine View Post
    can anyone tell me if the one horsepower floor units with one 4 inch port will be sufficient to suck the wood chips out of the planer/and or jointer?
    Allen,
    I suspect so, but I don't know so -- I've got a 2HP single-bag tai/chi import DC, and with an upgraded top bag (plastic bottom bag) it works great in my basement shop.

    However, I dug through some old posts and I see you bought a DW735 planer. That thing has a built-in blower, you could just hook it up a trash can with the DW7353 dust shroud ($50 new, but easily available used, I bet) and that would take care of the biggest mess maker in your shop.

    (aside: I mostly agree with Rob, but you did say you were concerned with chips/mess and not fine dust. So I'm taking you at your word.)

    In that case, all you'd need would be to concerned with now would be the jointer/TS/CMS, which do not make anywhere near the mess. And a small DC as you mentioned would most certainly work okay.
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    thanx,

    art-I hooked up a drain extension hose to my shop vac to a piece of pvc elbow into a sealed tight garbage pail, and it works fine. but the jointer duct gets clogged and the chips start blowing back into my face.

    btw, I know Rons advice is the best Ill get here or anywhere regarding dust control.

    Im looking for just a backsaver at this point, health concerns are always an issue, and noone appreciates the sincerity of Rons post more than I do.(I just need to take the time and build and design an adequate system, and figure out where I can fit it all)
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    Allen, I think the HF 2 hp unit is still on sale for $179 and comes as a roll around unit. It will do what you are wanting to do now, and can be modified fairly inexpensively later, (like Vaughn & others have done) to get you even further along until you want to get really into the Dust Collection thing. I don't remember though whether you have 220 V available in your shop or not, but IIRC, it only comes with a 220 V motor.

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    its 120 only, the poor electrician was there this afternoon and just left a few minutes ago, got too dark to work, I guess he never heard of flashllights

    I was hoping to find one in the 120 v power, I will have a dedicated line of 20 amps ready Im hoping by next week.

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    Re-tasked 1HP DC vs. Planer

    Well, I got home and wanted to test this out for the both of us. Here's the floor before the test:

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    Here's the Delta AP400 with the AFF filter bag; the lower bag has a plastic liner that is solid:

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    Here's after five 1/16" passes on a 4"x24" piece of pine viewed from the outfeed (really, it is a different picture):

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    Here's after from the infeed:

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    I don't have pics of the way this thing used to leave chips everywhere but, it is much better on the single shorter hose. HTH, I'm sure pleased.
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    does it run off of standard 120 volt lines?

    Im going to buy one tomorrow, so let meknow. Looks suffiecient to me.

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