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    Got The SawStop >> Modification Has Begun! <<

    I'm going to give the OK for the SawStop to be shipped from Canada, should take 2 to 3 weeks to get here and clear customs.

    Since I've finished moving the jointer and installing the SCMS station, I've now got space for the saw to go

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    There you can see the basic layout, the table (with the extension on it) is the same size as the saw will be, with both extension wings attached, as well as the 52" rails and the extension table, to the right. I'm going to add a 12 wide bench of sorts to the back edge of the saw, for one thing, I need somewhere to mount my woodworking vice and I also figure the extra width will not hurt things. I do have the extra space, I have nearly 4 feet of walking around space on both sides of the bench, as pictured, that is more than I've had for a VERY long time, so making that space 6" less on either side will not be a big deal.

    next up, you can see the Phoenix bandsaw at the end of that table, I'm not sure it will go there, but it "Could" go there. I've seen a number of guys who have their bandsaws in the middle of the workshop, and it seems to work well. or, I could make the bench extend that way about two feet for more bench space

    one thing is very clear, this saw is going to dominate the workshop

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    Looking towards the North end of the shop, you can see a bunch of stuff that I've yet to get out of the Dungeon, the DeWalt BT744 will go on Yahoo auction, and the mini DC I got will go up for auction as well. The router table will be built into the SawStop, maybe not right away, but at some point.

    I've got to figure out the logistics of getting the saw from the street to the hatch, and then down the hatch

    The saw, with the cabinet, and just the table top, no extension wings is 24" wide by 30" deep (61cm x 76cm). The hatch, fully open is 47" x 47" (120cm x 120 cm) Thus the main unit should go down in one piece into the Dungeon.

    I'm thinking of just buying a couple of large casters and making a large cart for the saw, to get it from the curbside to the hatch, or I might use some pvc pipe, and roll it on the pipes

    I asked SawStop about the power issues, the voltage I will be using is 200V and the Hertz is 50, this is the initial reply I got.......


    The 208v machine will most likely run at 200v, but the lower voltage will cause the motor to run at a higher current and hotter temperatures. A step up converter might help, but we don't have much experience with these and we don't guarantee any results. In any case, the warranty will be void even with a converter.

    The lower frequency (50hz rather than 60hz) will cause the motor to run 17% slower, which means the blade will not spin at the optimum speed for cutting wood. This is also true for our Japanese models, but we compensate by using a larger pulley on the motor. The larger motor pulley causes the blade to spin at the correct speed. You can replace the US pulley with a Japanese pulley if you want. Our p/n for the larger pulley is CB106 003. Our dealer in Japan, Fukumoto, should have them.

    I am not sure if the saw is already on its way to you, but the ideal solution here would be to purchase one of our Japanese models from Fukumoto as opposed to importing a machine designed for United States electrical configurations. These machines are built specifically to work with the Japanese voltage system.
    That is all fine and dandy, but Fukumoto wants about $11,000 US for the saw, delivered to my house. yes you read that right, $11,000 US Dollars

    The price I paid for the saw is $4,600, plus another $700 for the shipping etc, so $5300 CANADIAN or about $4200 US, gee, I think I'll be importing one

    Once this was explained to the SawStop guys, they have been very helpful.

    It looks as if I'll not have to spend the extra money on a converter, I'll just get a larger pulley for the saw, and call it good, after all, 200 is only 4% less than 208, right? I can most likely get a fairly simple step up converter that will step from 200V to say 220V for not a lot of money, maybe I will get that, but at least I'll not have to worry about a step up converter that also changes the Hertz, those are big bucks.

    So, what do you all think of the idea of the Bandsaw in the middle of the shop? I'd have to put the built in router table on the other end of the SawStop, I might even have to shift the rails to the left a foot or so

    Cheers!
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    Stu, If you can borrow a pallet jack, that would work for moving the saw on the street. That's how we moved the two we installed in the shop I work at.
    Looks like the band saw is in as good of position as any, it might get in the way if you were cutting sheet goods, but I doubt if you will be doing much of that in your dungeon.

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    Good idea, a pallet jack would be nice, or even a forklift

    One of my customer's parents run a paper recycle place, just up the street, they have both, pallet jacks and a fork lift, they are nice folks, so I think I'll go and ask them one day if I can borrow the pallet jack at the very least.

    Thanks Barry
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    Stu,
    What is the norm for delivery drivers in Japan? Over here in the states they generally are more than happy to assist in getting larger items to the garage from the tail of the truck, and generally they have a pallet jack onboard as well, after all they probably have to move several items around on the truck during the day, not to mention onto commercial customers' dock space. Just my .02c of course. Can't wait to see the new saw in place, your re-organization is amazing as always. You've got me thinking that my chopsaw stand is going away one of these days... to hang on the wall instead of sitting on the floor. Can you say cantilever? Of course you can!
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    try the bandsaw in the middle......if you don`t like it fix it later once you`re used to working with the tablesaw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    try the bandsaw in the middle......if you don`t like it fix it later once you`re used to working with the tablesaw.
    Certainly that is the idea Tod, I was just wondering if there are any major problems with putting a bandsaw in the middle of the shop, ones I could not foresee, I think it is a natural spot for a bandsaw, much like a chop saw goes well on a wall.

    Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Bulken View Post
    Stu,
    What is the norm for delivery drivers in Japan? Over here in the states they generally are more than happy to assist in getting larger items to the garage from the tail of the truck, and generally they have a pallet jack onboard as well, after all they probably have to move several items around on the truck during the day, not to mention onto commercial customers' dock space. Just my .02c of course.
    Ned, I'd say it is VERY rare for this kind of equipment to be delivered to a residence. When I had the last pallet of clamps delivered, the driver opened the door of the truck, and pointed to the stack of clamps on the pallet and basically said "There ya be, hurry up"

    he stood there while my two daughters and I unloaded the truck, he did not take anything off the truck but the delivery slip, that I had to sign, and complained loudly when I did not want the pallet that the clamps came on. I surely did not want the darn pallet, he insisted that I had to take it, but I pointed out to him that the order said "50 boxes of F-clamps" and did not mention the pallet"

    the guy before that was cool, he helped me unload the truck, and had no problem keeping the pallet, but neither of them had a pallet jack, or a lift gate.

    If the truck has a lift gate, and a pallet jack, I'd pay extra for that, no problem, I'll have to negotiate terms with the delivery company I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Bulken
    Can't wait to see the new saw in place, your re-organization is amazing as always. You've got me thinking that my chopsaw stand is going away one of these days... to hang on the wall instead of sitting on the floor. Can you say cantilever? Of course you can!
    I really like the set up of the jointer under the Chopsaw station and a wood rack over it, just a good use of space for me. I guess cabinets could also go over a chop saw station too.

    Cheers!
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    Stu,

    I'm not sure I would have thought of it, but I actually think the BS in the middle should work quite nicely for you. And like Tod said, just give it a try. You've already re-arranged the dungeon at least 4 times since I've known you on these forums...

    For one thing, you seem to do a lot more lathe work these days, so the BS is almost more important than the TS for that. So put the BS where it works, and make the TS deal with it.

    It's also a neat idea to put the vice on the backside of the TS (well, actually on the narrow extension table. In a small shop like that, you're definitely going to need that TS table for other tasks than just cutting.

    Have you considered getting a sheet of 1/4" plywood or hardboard to lay over top of the TS station for a work surface? At the very least, get a big sheet to throw over it when you need to do glue ups or the like. You'll also therefore want to be sure that there is a good location for stashing the fence when you need a big flat surface.

    I also note that the Phoenix is still bare naked. Didn't we have a poll about that a while back? Still, since it's in the middle now, you can think about coordinating the colour with your TS. Looks like an all-black central area might be in the cards...

    How are you getting DC to the middle? Is there a hose across the floor? If you're going down from the ceiling, then you've already got the spot for that, right alongside the back of the Phoenix.

    Great to see this unfold!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Ablett View Post
    Certainly that is the idea Tod, I was just wondering if there are any major problems with putting a bandsaw in the middle of the shop, ones I could not foresee, I think it is a natural spot for a bandsaw, much like a chop saw goes well on a wall.

    Cheers!
    In the middle is where I placed mine >>HERE<< and I have no regrets. It allows me full access and has yet to 'get in the way' of normal operations. A plus is having it on wheels so I can always adjust for long stock etc. I don't think I'd ever place it back against tha wall again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Mulder View Post
    Stu,

    I'm not sure I would have thought of it, but I actually think the BS in the middle should work quite nicely for you. And like Tod said, just give it a try. You've already re-arranged the dungeon at least 4 times since I've known you on these forums...
    Not really true Art, I think that I've never actually stopped re-arranging the Dungeon.......

    Quote Originally Posted by Art Mulder
    For one thing, you seem to do a lot more lathe work these days, so the BS is almost more important than the TS for that. So put the BS where it works, and make the TS deal with it.

    It's also a neat idea to put the vice on the backside of the TS (well, actually on the narrow extension table. In a small shop like that, you're definitely going to need that TS table for other tasks than just cutting.
    Yeah, I might actually make the 12" wide bench wrap around the end near the bandsaw 12" as well, just to give me room to put my bench dog holes

    Quote Originally Posted by Art Mulder
    Have you considered getting a sheet of 1/4" plywood or hardboard to lay over top of the TS station for a work surface? At the very least, get a big sheet to throw over it when you need to do glue ups or the like.
    Naw, I thought glue and paint were good for cast iron tops......

    Yes, I've thought of that, I'll have to buy a special 4x8 sheet of large plywood to cover it all

    Quote Originally Posted by Art Mulder
    You'll also therefore want to be sure that there is a good location for stashing the fence when you need a big flat surface.
    I think I'll make a spot for the fence under the left wing of the saw, should be some space there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Art Mulder
    I also note that the Phoenix is still bare naked. Didn't we have a poll about that a while back? Still, since it's in the middle now, you can think about coordinating the colour with your TS. Looks like an all-black central area might be in the cards...
    Well, the color voted on was purple, I think, and I've yet to find any purple paint.......

    Quote Originally Posted by Art Mulder
    How are you getting DC to the middle? Is there a hose across the floor? If you're going down from the ceiling, then you've already got the spot for that, right alongside the back of the Phoenix.
    Down from the ceiling, there is a hose that fed the old TS and jointer, when not in use, I just hang it up near the ceiling again. I'll most likely make a branch that will extend to the Phoenix behind the SawStop, so the hose will feed both, with blast gates to isolate the on in use.

    Quote Originally Posted by Art Mulder
    Great to see this unfold!
    You and me both Art!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rennie Heuer View Post
    In the middle is where I placed mine >>HERE<< and I have no regrets. It allows me full access and has yet to 'get in the way' of normal operations. A plus is having it on wheels so I can always adjust for long stock etc. I don't think I'd ever place it back against tha wall again.
    Thanks Rennie, I figured as much, and I do have the Phoenix on wheels.

    Cheers!
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