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Thread: Couple of Dovetailed boxes - Input please

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    Couple of Dovetailed boxes - Input please

    I just made a couple of dovetailed boxes and these are the first ones where I've incorporated a sliding top. At first glance it looks like I just decided to make two with different designed tops, but in reality I made the first one just a bit too small to hold the intended contents. It was commissioned to hold an urn, and dang if I didn't miss on the dimensions. The dimensions were such that if the contents could have been rotated 90 degrees then it would have worked just fine. Unfortunately, the urn wasn't setup to lay on it's side, so ... After realizing it was not going to work, I decided to use it as a mock-up for the new top that I intended to use on the real deal. Something about the top on the first one begged me to chamfer the edges. I kinda liked the look and thought I'd use the same on the second one. After I put the second box together and fit the top, the proportions didn't seem to warrant the chamfer. It actually looked better, to me at least, with the crisp 90 degree corners.

    Now I'd like to ask everyone to let me know their thoughts on the boxes/tops. I'm interested to see if my design eye is in sync with the masses or if I'm just out there.
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    I don't know if my design eye is in any better sync than yours, but I think I prefer the chamfered lid. It adds a nice little touch of interest for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughn McMillan View Post
    I don't know if my design eye is in any better sync than yours, but I think I prefer the chamfered lid. It adds a nice little touch of interest for me.
    Ditto!

    Nice work Lee!
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    lee,
    try doing the chamfer with a plane, scribe the edges and pull it back an inch and a half or so on the top......maybe a 2º-3º bevel.
    just a thought...
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    well i like the chamfered style as wel and i would incorporate a narrow piece of the brown wood to hid the lid somewhat make it look like the top just is built in.
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    Lee, first off, very nice work.
    Here's my very fussy opinions -
    I like both chamfered and square treatments, both are good and should be used, but the lids look too thick to my eye, especially the chamfered lid. I think Tod's suggestion of handplaning a more gentle angle is great.

    I think also that the sides are too thick for a box that size. To my eye anyway, a small piece needs to have proportions that all fit well, small box, thin wood.

    Last, I think the top DT on the right side of the first box should be higher up, even if this causes assymetry.

    You asked for opinions. I'm giving them honestly and with good intentions. I think you've done a really nice job of the boxes. Like they say in 4H - "to make the best better"

    Ken

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    I have to agree with Ken that the components are too thick for the size of the box. Other than that, it looks very nice. Did you use a plow plane to cut the grooves?

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    Good looking boxes.

    I would go for the chamfered lid as others have suggested but bringing the chamfer all the way dow to the edge of the box, so both the lid and the top edges of the box would share the same chamfer surface.

    I would also put a strip of the body wood on the lid as Larry suggested to make it simmetrical all around. By doing these two things you would dissimulate the fact that for a box of that size the wall are a bit too thick, as has already been pointed out.

    My two cents...
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    First off let me thank all of you who have given input. I'll certainly try out the ideas. It's great to have such a diverse family to draw from.

    Vaughn and Stu- Thanks. I tend to like that look better, too.

    Todd - Yeah, I see what you mean. I was stuck in the 45 degree mode, didn't really think about using a different angle.

    John - I understand your point. I made the decision to have the top above the edges so it would be easier to open. I thought about using an overhang or something to assist, but when I put a piece of plywood into the opening before making the top I wasn't sure how it would work if not proud of the sides.

    Larry - I saw a box recently where they did just that. I might have to play with that sometime to see how it works.

    Ken - I understand the thickness issue. It was somewhat intentional, but your point is well taken. With the box(es) designated to hold an urn and ashes I wasn't sure how heavy the combo would be so was trying to make certain of no failure. I guess I should have listed the size of the box, about 10" x 10" x 8", although I guess it doesn't really matter if the proportions are off they're off. The DT you spoke of was a design element which is better seen in the other box. On the side where the top can slide in, I decided to forgo the last pin at the top, as I was (and did) cut the end piece short enough for the top to slide in. I couldn't think of a better way of handling this, for this type purpose. So the one you see in the first box, is the same on the oposite side of the box, just looks a little different when seen from the side, since you can't readily see the purpose.

    Bill - I actually cut the grooves on a router table. It was a 1/4" straight bit set to about 3/16" depth on the larger box and about 1/8" on the smaller.

    Toni - I'd thought of something similar when I was chamfering the first top but implementation was getting the best of me. <grin>

    Thanks for the great constructive critisism.
    Lee Laird
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