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Thread: speaking of break downs, Updated, (I'm not a happy camper)

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    speaking of break downs, Updated, (I'm not a happy camper)

    Dan isn't the only one with tractor trouble, The 1750 oliver spun a main bearing last month Couple of guys recommended a machine shop that the old guy supposedly knows Waukesha engines.

    Pulled it out, tore it down, Took the crank, and the block over, had him line bore the mains, Turned the crank .020 under, replaced one questionable looking rod, Machined the rods for new one piece wrist pins, reconditioned the crank ends of the rods. and had him assemble the bottom end and install the pistons and liners.

    While he had that, I painted the tub and front axle, $70
    bent new tubing for the power steering line,$50
    Fixed the tilt steering,$0
    2 new tie rods,$130
    picked up a new Ceramic button clutch, pressure plate and throw out bearing,$350
    had the flywheel ground,$50
    new seal on the input shaft of the transmission,$8
    tore down, cleaned, inspected and reassembled the hydra power with new seals in it. $22
    new chain coupler, $102
    New thermostat $60
    New temp gauge and sending unit $50
    oil, filters antifreeze $65

    Picked up the engine, brought it home, $2470
    Total $3427

    put it all together Fired it up and it sounded so nice, ran for 1.3 hours and lost oil pressure

    Pulled the oil filter and found bits of bearing in the filter housing. They came and picked up the engine this morning, I'm still waiting to hear the bad news
    Last edited by Robert Mickley; 07-23-2009 at 04:31 AM.
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    Robert,
    Your last two lines made my stomach turn.

    Hope the news is better than you think.

    Wes

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    Antique tractors are a labor of love and much money.
    As much as I liked my old Massey-Harris 44D it was a bottomless money pit. I would have gladly traded you those expenses for what I put into the Massey. Worst experience ever was when the main pump (combo oil and diesel) went out. I e-shopped for weeks before finding a brand new (ca. 1945) one still in the box in Columbia, Missouri, price tag, $1,500.00. Idiot mechanic that installed it did not lube or try by hand first. After all those years the lube inside had seized up. Of course, he ruined it instantly. I was too angry to get mad. Sent it to someplace out east for rebuild at cost of another $800.00. There's more but I'm getting ill remembering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Bischel View Post
    Robert,
    Your last two lines made my stomach turn.

    Hope the news is better than you think.

    Wes

    Same here Robert. Boy it sure has me guessing as to what went wrong after that refurb.
    cheers

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    Oh well it ain't nothing but a thing.

    Frank, I don't consider a 1750 an antique, yet. Considering theres way to many of them still working on real farms. it is a 1969, around here it has to be a 59 or older to get into antique class at the shows. (oh know!!! that makes me an,, antique ) But your right it is old.

    As of right now its practically new though
    Paid $2500 for it, $3500 in this project, $600 in rebuilding the hydraulics. What are you going to buy new for $6600? At least I can still go to Agco and get parts for it. For now anyway

    A lawn mower maybe. Besides,, sniff sniff, I love my Ollie sniff

    Rob
    your guess is as good as mine. Hopefully I'll find out Monday or Tuesday
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    I sure hope is it something they will stand behind, but old machines like that can fool you sometimes and do strange stuff.

    Thing is, I agree with you, for the money you have into it, I would hope you would get another 10 or 20 good years out of it, and your are right, for that kind of money, nothing you buy new will last as long, or work as hard.

    best of luck!
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    Got the news today he's blaming the oil filter housing not being cleaned out properly. which I have no real way to dispute. I can stand there and tell him all day I got it clean but it comes down to my word against his.

    I would have figured if it ruined the main bearings, it would have ruined the rod bearings tell me how the dirt not to stop at the mains and not continue on to the rods

    So as it stands I'll need the crank turned again and new main bearings.
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    Well the bad news is in, he did blame me. Theres an o ring in the oil filter housing that was bad. According to him it let the oil bypass the filter and thats why it wiped out the bearings. so how does clean oil wipe out a bearing? I still think he had the tolerances too tight. Once it heated up it took out the mains. But what I think and proving it is two different things.

    Every one agrees with me. tolerances where too tight, once it warmed up it got tighter and took out the bearings.

    I don't know the cost yet,,
    Crank had to be turned again thats $450
    new overhaul gasket set thats probably 140, another couple hundred for bearings probably.

    Plus labor for assembly. He has the COMPLETE engine this time. so if it fails again its on his head. I'll bet its close to $2000

    I could have almost done a Cummins conversion for this kind of money.

    Here it is July and I'm without a big tractor.
    I never did get any field corn in, It's just about to late to put in buckwheat, the spelts are still in field. Looks like the only thing I'm getting in this year will be winter wheat winter Rye and more spelts.
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    Robert, did you put it together? Was it plasti-gaged?
    Jon

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    Jonathan

    The machinist assembled the Crank, piston, liners. He claims he plasti-gaged it. He line bored the block, to fix the spun main bearings. Reconditioned the rods, Replaced one rod.

    I got it back and installed the lifters and cam
    and all the of the non rotating parts.

    This time he is assembling the whole engine, IF it gives up again, it will be his problem.
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