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    Is this smoking ban too far?

    I am not sure if any of you have heard about this. But in Bangor Maine, the city council has made it a new law that bans smoking inside a vehicle while minors are present anywhere in the city limits This is the only law like it anywhere in the United States that I am aware of.

    In addition, this is a primary law, meaning a police officer has the right to stop you for this offense. Some secondary laws mean that if you are stopped for another offense, they can add this to the ticket. With this law however, if an officer sees a smoker puffing away with kids in the car, they can pull you over and fine you even if you don't break any other laws.

    Now this is not meant to start a anti-smoking/ smoking issue. Here in Maine some smokers and non-smokers alike, agree with it. Some however feel its an infringment of freedom. Just curious what people on here think.

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    Travis................I smoked cigarettes for 41 years. I stopped Jan. 15, 2006. I could kill somedays for a cigarette........but....I finally found myself huffing and puffing in a manner that I hadn't before.....Now I find myself huffing and puffing but it's because I've put on 33 lbs. since I quit.

    There's no denying that smoking is a severe health risk. Anyone who denies it has their head buried in the sand. As far as the risks of 2nd hand smoke....I personally don't think it's as bad as hyped to be but it is of major concern.

    I seldom trust most of the "surveys and reports" I hear these days. When I hear of a new report....I want to know...first...who financed it.....2nd...what was their opinion before they performed the report.....3rd...how long was the report or survey run......4th...where was it run.......

    I find it hard to believe that states are passing bills banning all smoking in bars and restaurants.....Why couldn't a bar be a smoking bar and everybody know it when they enter?

    Next we should outlaw outrageous partisan political statements....they've been known to raise blood pressure...High blood pressure is a killer...we are treated for it daily.......

    Right now......the anti-smoking campaign is extremely popular and is politically correct and almost all politicians look at it as something both major parties can agree on........

    JMHO........................Boy I'd like a smoke!

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    OK here's my take. I smoked cigerettes fo over 30 years. I quite cold turkey and stayed away from smoking for 10 years. I developed acid refex and found out that Nicotine will prevent Acid reflex desiese (I know this sounds strange but it is a fact). I took up cigars and since then have smoked cigars. If I am in an enclosed space (such as a car) around my grand children I don't smoke. Is it good for me, not realy but I am not troubled with acid reflex. I guess what I am saying it is about freedon to choose. I choose to smoke cigars, I also choose not to expose my GK to it. I won't go into a tirade about the government infringing on freedom of choice since that too is political. Is it going too far, well in my opinion yes.
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    I think smoking in a car with a child present is akin to neglect. Just a little shy of abuse. I'm all for such a ban. Seems to me that people who care so little about their children to smoke in close quarters with them deserve a ticket.

    My father died when I was pretty young, due in large part to his continued smoking. I was exposed to blue air in our small apartment my entire childhood. Am I opinionated? You betcha. I for one am tired of having my air polluted by those who suck on their "death sticks"

    Best wishes to all, smokers and non-smokers...

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    What Ken said.

    I'm not quite sure which surprises me more: that it took this long or that it didn't happen here in California first.
    Where are we going? And what am I doing in this handbasket?

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    I think its a great law! The only thing that it infringes upon is a person's right to poison children.
    Cheers, Frank

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    We had a "no smoking in indoor public places" ban imposed here in Ottawa some time ago.

    ((Background : smoked since teen till about the age of 24 - not too hard to quit I think because I rolled my own and they are a lot softer than factory rolled (I think) - never smoked around my son - I quit when Sarah got pregnant.))

    But ... the "public places" didn't include bus stops where my son caught the bus to college - didn't include the entrance to stores and shopping centres or government buildings - didn't include enclosed spaces with minors inside - kinda seemed like it wasn't well thought out.

    My opinion was that if folks wanted to have a pub / club / restaurant that catered to smokers they should be allowed - smoking is not illegal after all, and as an adult, I can make a decision to go or NOT to go inside. Places I have no choice about (groceries / doctor / gov't offices etc) is a different business.

    I have no problem with a ban on smoking near minors (lacking the ability/permission to decide to leave), especially inside enclosed spaces like autos!! but some of the rest of the law seem a bit unfair/unreasonable considering it's a legal activity.

    cheers to all smokers and non-smokers alike.

    PS : one of the bans that seemed unfair was an elimination of segregated, isolated and air-filtered smoking rooms in elderly care homes. After taking tobacco taxes for 60/70/80 years of tobacco sales from these people, telling them to butt-out overnight seemed downright cruel - especially to veterans, many of whom started smoking on the free cig's handed out by the armed forces in WW2 ....
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    When I see a child or an infant in a car with a smoker I think it is a shame. That child has no choice in the matter and worse is is detrimental to the child's health and development. I think it is a shameful thing to do to a child - force them to smoke. I for one don't like legislation that infringes on a person's rights but then again sometimes people need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis S Johnson View Post
    I am not sure if any of you have heard about this. But in Bangor Maine, the city council has made it a new law that bans smoking inside a vehicle while minors are present anywhere in the city limits This is the only law like it anywhere in the United States that I am aware of.
    I am quite sure that this law will be overturned when and if it reaches the court system. Locally banning a legal drug is illegal. How is one to know if there are minors present anywhere in the city? Is it to be assumed that there are minors in the city with no visual presence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bartley View Post
    PS : one of the bans that seemed unfair was an elimination of segregated, isolated and air-filtered smoking rooms in elderly care homes. After taking tobacco taxes for 60/70/80 years of tobacco sales from these people, telling them to butt-out overnight seemed downright cruel - especially to veterans, many of whom started smoking on the free cig's handed out by the armed forces in WW2 ....
    They did that here in Florida. Not only in elderly care homes but also at any public facility. The good voters of this state voted it in. Isolated air filtered smoking rooms have no possibility to harm non smokers but when some people have the majority anything can happen. I can't wait until we non drinkers become the majority and pass legislation that in reality will really decrease the death toll. No one wants to talk about that. I wonder why?

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