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    Alan DuBoff is offline Former Member (by the member's request)
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    Biesemeyer fence rear rail Q?

    Is the rear rail on the Biesemeyer primarily installed to hold the extension table on?

    Since the fence locks on the front, it seems the rear rail is not needed unless one wanted to build an extension table, it would appear.

    I just ordered the fence, but haven't received it yet. I was hoping I could just mount the front rail and forget about the rear all together, my table top is 40" x 44". I definitely know why they started breaking the table up in sections...

    I was on the fence I 'spose, over the fence... a lot of options. The Biesemeyer seems like a no frills solid fence. I really liked the Ridgid 3612 fence, I was eyeing it the night I sold the saw, but couldn't have retrofitted it on my G-89, even if I had wanted. The Ridgid fence locks on the front and back, and has a micro adjust wheel on the front. In thinking back, I rarely use the micro adjuster and tap the fence anyway.

    In fact, all fences that can't provide at least 40" table length are out completly for me, and hence the Biesemeyer (and I've seen other Biesemeyer's mounted on G-89s )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan DuBoff View Post
    Is the rear rail on the Biesemeyer primarily installed to hold the extension table on?

    Since the fence locks on the front, it seems the rear rail is not needed unless one wanted to build an extension table, it would appear.

    I just ordered the fence, but haven't received it yet. I was hoping I could just mount the front rail and forget about the rear all together, my table top is 40" x 44". I definitely know why they started breaking the table up in sections...

    I was on the fence I 'spose, over the fence... a lot of options. The Biesemeyer seems like a no frills solid fence. I really liked the Ridgid 3612 fence, I was eyeing it the night I sold the saw, but couldn't have retrofitted it on my G-89, even if I had wanted. The Ridgid fence locks on the front and back, and has a micro adjust wheel on the front. In thinking back, I rarely use the micro adjuster and tap the fence anyway.

    In fact, all fences that can't provide at least 40" table length are out completly for me, and hence the Biesemeyer (and I've seen other Biesemeyer's mounted on G-89s )

    The rear angle rail doesn't do anything mechanically with the fence so I guess you could leave it off but I'm not sure I would want to for the sake of stability. Yes it is a great fence, I've got two of them in my shop and would change a few things if I could and may one of these days but it wouldn't be removing the rear rail.
    I once heard that cats and women will do darn well what they please and that men and dogs would do well to accept it and just go on.

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    As far as I know, that is all it is for. I do use it at times to put a clamp on the back side of the fence when I am using feather boards so that the fence doesn't tilt up.

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    Jim,

    I don't have a stability issue per se with my table, it's more of a weight issue.

    I don't know how much it weighs, it's gotta be 300-400 lbs. for the table alone.

    You can kinda see the old fence here.

    (linky pic)



    The fence weighs about 75-100 lbs. It functions, but it's heavy. The blade insert in the table weighs about 50-75 lbs.

    Check out those miter slot filler bars, they're 1 1/4" wide, and about 1/2" thick...solid cast iron. I don't have the miter, so will just build a crosscut sled.

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    I think that's all it does. But if you don't install the rear rail, you will need to do something to support the table and keep it level with the main table.

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    Jesse,

    Do you mean the extension table? I don't plan to use one. I only need to have 26" of cutting, which I have on my table. I think my table is about as large as most modern cabinet saws, but is one piece rather than 3.

    I don't think this table is going to have a hard time being supported, it could be the support itself!

    Almost the entire fence will be supported on the table, which is fully supported by solid cast iron. It's probably not perfectly flat, but it's pretty flat and seems solid. Later if I wanted to add an extension table, I could get longer rails and do that, but I'm not sure I want/need it, I'm not crazy about working with sheet goods, and more often would find myself ripping strips to laminate into a larger panel in the case I need something larger than 12" wide (for a panel for instance).

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    I have the General Canada version of the Beis fence. On mine, the outboard end of the fence has a height adjustable foot that slides on the rear rail. When I installed my fence, I shimmed the front tube and adjusted the rear foot so that I have approx 1/16" under the fence and the fence is parallel to the table all the way along.

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan DuBoff View Post
    Is the rear rail on the Biesemeyer primarily installed to hold the extension table on?

    Since the fence locks on the front, it seems the rear rail is not needed unless one wanted to build an extension table, it would appear.
    Alan,

    I have a General fence, which I'm told is basically identical to the Biesemeyer.
    Here is a photo of the rear of it.
    Attachment 3556

    Note the foot? This is a UHMW coated foot that slides on that rear rail. It also lifts the fence a fraction above the table. If you didn't have it, the fence would drag on the table when you move it.

    I'm surprised at all the comments from the other guys. Doesn't the Biesemeyer fence have one of these? Or do you just forget about it since you can't see it most of the time?

    If the Bies really is identical to my General fence, then you definitely want some sort of a back rail, so that the foot can slide on it.

    ...art

    Edit: Hmm, John posted the same thing, but I got the photo!!

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    John, Art,

    Yes, by the looks of that I might want to mount the rear rail if it's the same. I'll find out when I get it I 'spose.

    From the looks of Art's picture, it might need that for the foot to slide on. I can mount it, providing it will handle the size of my table. I'll have to wait and see what comes in the box.

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    I've never seen one of the fences with that "foot" on the back rail. Mine has a foot but it rides on the table and is just a pad of nylon that slides on the surface. It is not adjustable. That's interesting
    I once heard that cats and women will do darn well what they please and that men and dogs would do well to accept it and just go on.

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