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Thread: Is Freud the Best Value Router Table Top, Fence and Lifter?

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    Is Freud the Best Value Router Table Top, Fence and Lifter?

    It's opinion time my friends. Come on now... I know you have one.

    Don't be shy. That means you Tod

    What do you think of the Freud router table top, fence and lifter?

    How does it stack up in terms of value? How about quality?

    If not Freud then what would you suggest?

    Here's the question that got me posting over here:
    Hello, I need a router table top, fence and lifter. The Freud top and fence system look like a good value. Will the Rousseau lifter fit the opening in the Freud top?
    Also... sneak preview... shhhhh.... our beta site is up: http://beta.toolcrib.com.
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    garrett, i use a shaper......all my routers are hand-held unless i jig-`em up for a specific task....but my pat answer for most issues is "cast iron and horsepower are hard to beat
    the only routers i use are portercable, specifically the 690`s 310`s and 78 series......i don`t have anything nice to say about their 800 series so won`t....tod
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    Tod - educate me please:

    What's the difference between a shaper and a router that's attached to a table?

    Also, on what kinds of jobs would you jig a router? vs. using your shaper?

    G
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    in a while if somebody doesn`t beat me to it.......i`m kinda busy right now
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    Garrett,

    this link to pat warners site will give you a start while tod is getting back to you.

    http://www.patwarner.com/router_or_shaper.html

    I have a router table on my TS that I use. I was planning on putting in a lift but have since decided that I'd rather put that money towards a shaper. Since it is a much heavier duty machine
    "There’s a lot of work being done today that doesn’t have any soul in it. The technique may be the utmost perfection, yet it is lifeless. It doesn’t have a soul. I hope my furniture has a soul to it." - Sam Maloof
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    Thanks Don - I'll read that.

    Are you a shaper guy too?

    G
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    I have both a router lift/table and a shaper. Shaper is fairly new, but it is one powerful machine. A 3 HP shaper has no comparison to a 3 HP router. With the shaper I can raise panels in a single pass. I would never try that on a router.

    As for the best router table/router set up, I think the Jess'em mast-r-lift with the mast-r-top along. I have the mast-r-fence, but I think a jointech or an Incra might be better. For the router, the 7518 is nice with this type of lift. FranK Pellows set up is very nice as well and does not require a seperate lift.

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    Hi.
    Due to space limitations, I settled on a Bench Dog table extension for the table saw. I keep a Porter Cable 890 mounted in it. No lift, I do it the old fashion way, not very convenient, but ok. I may get the PC handle kit for a lift.
    I think the Bench Dog split fence is fine. You can put them together for zero clearance insets, or squeeze the sides just close for better dust/chip removal. I've adapted the port to 4". If I have to, I can use the large T square style fence from the large table on the saw.
    If I could afford the space for a stand alone table, I'd probably build one similar to Norm's plan, and get a cast iron Bench Dog top.
    I think I'm better off with the table extension. The cast iron is high quality and has a T slot for a miter gauge. I don't believe there are many stand alone tables made of cast iron.
    Good Luck
    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett French View Post
    Tod - educate me please:

    What's the difference between a shaper and a router that's attached to a table?

    Also, on what kinds of jobs would you jig a router? vs. using your shaper?

    G
    sorry man ....busy day! the big difference between a shaper and a table mounted router is "cast iron and horsepower".....a shaper uses a "real motor" whereas a router uses a universal motor.....a shaper has spindle bearings that are usually twice as big or larger than even the biggest-n-baddest router....on most shapers the spindle is raised and lowered in accurately machined cast iron housings or ways......where the best router "raisers" use small diameter hardened rods and oilite or bronze bushings set into aluminum castings.....in the world of shapers a 3/4" spindle is small.....in the world of routers a 1/2" diameter shank is as good as it gets......bottom line is that shapers are far more robust and generally intended for medium to heavy production work.......routers though are versitle in that they are a small-self contained powerhead that can be easily mounted to jigs (look at shop-bot) or castles pocket hole machines.....but when a fellow mounts a router in a table most are hoping to achieve some of the usefullness of a shaper....i`d sugest that folks build a homemade router table and use it for a while....if they find it usefull then they`ll know the shortcommings of their design and what to look for in a "store bought" version........but they need to keep in mind that a shaper can actually cost less money than a store bought table/lift set-up......just stuff to think about....tod
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    http://familywoodworking.org/forums/...1&d=1170116010
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    First picture is my shaper minus the outrigger table I have. I have used my shaper for custom millwork (BIG crowns & coves), tenoning, dados, rebating, pattern shaping, joint making, panels rasing, cope & stick, etc. All of my cuts/shapes are done in ONE pass...thats what you can do with a 6.6hp 3ph machines. Everything I do is done very safely via my sliding table/outrigger or via my power feeder.

    http://familywoodworking.org/forums/...1&d=1170116010
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    Second picture is my double router table. I use it for quick round overs, very small bead molding and rabets. I use it with my slider for dadoing. Any of the bits I have for profiling get used in the shaper...it plain and simply does a 100% better job in accuracy and safety. As far as router tables and fences...geez man make your own, you are a woodworker are you not?? The only router that sits in my table is a PC7518 and thats that

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