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Thread: Saw Stop vs the others

  1. #1
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    Dec 2008
    Santa Claus, In

    Saw Stop vs the others

    OK stay calm. No bashing of SS or other brands.

    If you take the SS finger saving technology out of the mix, what makes a SS good. I mean if it didn't have the tech, why would you buy it? If it wouldn't be for the tech, what would you have bought different? Is there anything that makes it special? Fence? Fit and finish? Options? Handle placement?

    Like I said, not trying to bash one or the other, just looking at the whole picture.

  2. #2
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    Nov 2006
    Delton, Michigan
    never used one steve but have seen them in use and the guy using it liked it .and not just becasue it had the brake in it.. the saw is well built according to him. and the brake is just the frosting on the cake. if were to look at another saw it would be the saw stop just because of the brake. and according to your picture i am betting you would too now
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  3. #3
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    Oct 2006
    somewhere east of Queen Creek, AZ - South East of Phoenix
    the saw stop, even the contractor model comes with a reeving knife. The construction is extremly good. The dust collection is great. If I were in the market I'd have one in my shop.
    "There’s a lot of work being done today that doesn’t have any soul in it. The technique may be the utmost perfection, yet it is lifeless. It doesn’t have a soul. I hope my furniture has a soul to it." - Sam Maloof
    The Pessimist complains about the wind; The Optimist expects it to change;The Realist adjusts the sails.~ William Arthur Ward

  4. #4
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    Dec 2008
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    Now see, you went with the tech side of it. You did say the guys likes it because it is well built, so I will let the tech thing slide.

    And yes, my thumb would have been greatfull. It only hurt for about an hour. It did grow back out. Doc was amazed.

  5. #5
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    Dec 2006
    Carlyle IL
    you need to see a ss and a competing brand side by side.

    raising and lowering the blade is better (less effort, smoother)

    there are safety switches on all the doors.

    the on off paddle is positioned correctly for my leg to turn off the machine.

    the mobile base is the best out there.

    shipping container is fool proofed. There is an indicator that proves the saw hasn't been tipped over in transit

    The fence is excellent.

    The castings are really heavy and really precise. i.e. trunion

    the instruction manual is well written.
    Last edited by Joe Mioux; 05-21-2010 at 01:08 AM.

  6. #6
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    Mar 2008
    With out the break I don't think I would even look at it. I'm not bashing it but lets face it with out the break it's just another no name saw. That who knows how long they will be around to service the thing. Well made is nice but if you can't get parts than it's just useless.
    Now with the break I'm thinking about one. But prolly will end up with a used PM
    It could be worse You could be on fire.
    Stupid hurts.

  7. #7
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    Jun 2008
    GTA Ontario Canada
    Chuck makes an excellent point here. Until the recent court case we all read about here on our forum, I was not aware of he history of the SS and how a road its been to get to where they have.

    That said if the guys that own it, were to completely sell out to the big brother, then big brother could dispose of the brand/prodcut entirely and leave all the break guys out in the dark. What would it be like not being able to get breaks into the future.

    This is a point i dont think people have considered. And lets not say this aint possible. The recent car industry shake up saw a number of brands axed. I have lived through a company sale before where the express purpose was to take out a competitor to be able to raise the prices in the market.

    Good point Chuck especially when you consider a hobbiest is likely to consider the SS his last saw and expect support for say 20 years. This brings up the whole point of electronics being involved with mechanical things and just for a moment consider how long our computers last us by comparison to say a bandsaw. Heck we got examples of old iron that show up any electronic piece of kit. Thats why i still like an engine that has points and generator you can fix these things yourself. Not so for all the modules that come in these things and dont forget the brake in the SS is a module.

  8. #8
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    Oct 2006
    Tokyo Japan
    The company that makes the SawStop is the same company that makes the iCarver I have for testing, I met and I've talked to the engineer and project leader of the iCarver extensively. This is the same company that makes a lot of the tablesaws out there, they are in Taiwan a Democratic country, they are NOT in China, so don't go down the "Bash China" route

    Do you remember that there was a delay, I think near a year long when the SawStop first came out? Do you know why that was? I was told that when they took the contract from SawStop to build the saws, the specs for the saw were so high and the tolerances were so tight they were a bit surprised, but they were confident that they could build the saw in the same factory using the same tools that they built all the other tablesaws they built, Oh, did I mention that this company is the largest builder of tablesaws in the world? The build or have built, Grizzly, Delta, Ridgid, Oliver (they actually now own Oliver) General International, DeWalt, etc etc. Well they found out that they were wrong, the could not build the SawStop to the specs wanted in the old plant, the tolerances were just too high, so they broke ground and built a new plant just to build the SawStop. I was told this story in person at the trade show I met these guys at, where I first saw the iCarver, I went to said trade show to see the SawStop in the flesh, as I was looking to get one, a Japanese company imported it (and wanted over $10K for it ) I was walking around and I saw these guys in a booth with some lathes and the iCarver. I heard this story before I owned a SawStop.

    I've never owned a saw that is of this quality, but I've worked on a few other cabinet saws. The saw is extremely well built. The safety feature certainly figured big in my decision to buy it. If you take the safety feature away, it is still a great saw, I think on par with anything out there in the same price range, (I'm talking about the SawStop Professional model) but how can you take the safety feature away That is like saying "He is a really wonderful guy and very helpful, but he is an axe murder, but lets just ignore the axe murder thing for now...

    The riving knife is a very important safety feature as well, as it will stop the vast majority of kickbacks. I know that some of the others are finally putting real riving knives on their saws, but in Europe, they have had them on their saws for nearly a generation, why are they only now coming to North America? I think part of the reason is because of the SawStop, this is a great feature of the machine, and this also raised the bar, so the other makers have had to respond.

    If you want "Cheap and Cheerful" with no safety device, but a decent riving knife it would be hard to beat the Grizzly G0690. The thing is, as I get older (yes, I know I'm not old, or even close to it) I have recently started to have some trouble with my hands, they take a lot of abuse, and I've started to drop stuff, enough so that I'm noticing it, well, this is exactly the kind of simple "Whoops" that can end up in a trip to the emergency room, I'm sure we all know someone in that boat If you can afford the more expensive saw with the built in safety feature, then that is a choice you have to make, if you really cannot, then you cannot.

    I know of several cases of guys (none here) on other boards that were like "SawStop, what a waste of money, I've been working on tablesaws for 30+ years, I've still got all 10 of my fingers....yada yada yada..... " one simple "Whoops" later, three months off work (hard when you are self employed) and $50,000 in medical expenses..... guess what they bought

    Would I buy one again, yes, in a heart beat, and I think if you are looking at moving up to a full on cabinet saw, honestly the last saw you will ever buy, then the SawStop is a great choice, the safety feature just makes it a better choice, but in the end, that is what it is, a choice, and one that only you can make
    The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.
    William Arthur Ward

  9. #9
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    Dec 2008
    Santa Claus, In
    Great input guys. This is what I was looking for. When I seen the first one, Woodcraft, it was the best ever built. I guy didn't care if it was made out of cardboard and would cut a piece straight if it had too.

    Stu, that is why I was trying to get around the tech part. First thing everybody does is go with the brake. Well what about the rest of it.

    As far a parts in the future, shouldn't be a problem for me. When I get my bigger shop, they will be out long enough to know if they are going to be around for a long time.

  10. #10
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    Apr 2008
    I have used the Industrial cabinet saw from SS It is a great saw and as good as any I have used. I also have a good friend with a new Delta Uni-saw a 5 HP model. The new Delta IMHO is every bit as well built saw. In particular I think it has the best guard design that I have ever seen on a saw and I love the way the riving knife release is at the front along with the front controls. With that being said the safety brake is a nice reassurance on the SS. I would consider both saws if I was in the market.

    I under stand how quickly accidents can happen as I have the middle finger of my right hand is about 1/2" shorter and a numb index finger on the same hand because I severed the nerve in that finger at the same time. This was all do to an accident on my jointer. It was my fault because of being complacent but could have been much worse.

    Good Luck


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