These are a replica of the of a 30 caliber bullet. These I would say fall way short of the bullet pens that Les puts together. But when you have people that want, but aren't willing to pay for the real thing you do the next best thing. They are happy so I guess I am to. One of the pens has a camo blank from Woodturninz and the pen kits are from them. The other is a Afzelia Burl.