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    Stone Gate Post Advice

    Hello my advisors:

    LOML and I just this minute got an estimate to build stone posts for a gate.

    First let me tell you what it's for. We want to put an electric gate at the front of the property. 6'6" chain link fence on either side, then 2 stone posts, and the metal gate in the middle. So the posts need to be about 7', and 28" square. they have to have in them the hinges for the gate and a conduit to hold electrical cable so we can have lights on them.

    Guess how much the guy wants?

    $3500 for split faced concrete block
    $4500 for cultured stone

    NO WAY. I told LOML NO WAY. Can I build these myself? Is this THAT complicated?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynthia White View Post
    ...Can I build these myself? Is this THAT complicated?...
    Sure you can, but it'll entail a bit of work.

    First a solid footing - probably 30" square and a couple feet deep. . Use 8" concrete block to make a column 24" square (It'll be hollow in the center for your electrics). Embed the hinges in the mortar joint as you build up.

    Cover it with your stone veneer, and it'll end up about the 28" square that you want.

    Lotta work, but depending on the cost of the stone veneer, it oughtta cost less than half what the contractor wanted.
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    Jim, you're my hero:



    2 questions:

    1) if I use cultured stone against the concrete block, will I have to grout the cultured stone after?

    2) could I use one thickness of real stone stacked with mortar against the concrete block?

    Thanks,
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    We put cultured stone on our fireplace. It's really pretty easy to do.

    They have lots of different 'models' of cultured stone. Some will require grouting inbetween the stone, and others you can achieve a 'dry stack' look that doesn't require grouting.

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    What Brent said regarding grouting, and yes, you'd adhere the veneer stones to the block with mortar.

    For even better adhesion of veneer to block, bricklayers use small corrugated metal strips that they embed in the mortar while laying the block. The strips stick out a couple inches, and then get embedded in the mortar when the brick - or in your case, veneer stones - get laid.

    One thought - I know the winters are (relatively) mild on the island, but you'll need to make sure your footer slab is below the frost line, to prevent frost heave. Local code folks ought to be able to tell you how deep you need to go. It's probably 75cm~1 meter, I'd guess.
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    I'm sure you could do the project yourself, but it could prove to be a back breaking job and probably wiser to contract out in the end. You may consider getting a few more quotes to see if the guy is way off base, but there is a lot of labor in that type of work.

    Also contractors sometimes bid high as they are either the only ones around that do that work, or they just don't really want the job in the first place. May find a little competition helps or you just find someone that is more willing to do the work and will do a better job in the end.

    I'm considering expanding the stone entry to at our driveway as well and I'm dreading the work as I've done some stone walls and such before, it's pretty laborious work (coming from a guy that used to carry 2 full sheets of drywall at a time of several flights of stairs all day long). Like I said, it's not that you can't do it, it's a lot of work...just my .02
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    Sounds great . Is this the gate you come & go through each time you drive onto & off the property? If so are you willing to get out in all kinds of weather to open & close the gate? I would make it a rolling gate that is one piece & & rolls to the right or left & you can use either a garage door opener or they make an opener for this type of gate. My Dad had one with a garage door opener. If you have Questions PM me.
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    Actually Cynthia there is fake cultured stone availible that is flat on one side and is just glued in place with the mortor. They have it ion the colums at walmart here and the bus depot ( will try to get a pick if I am out around it today) . It looks like the real thing. We have done lots of jobs where the brickies have used it and it looks pretty simple to use. I would just form up a concrete base ( buried in the ground and colum with a conduit running up the middle for the wires and then put the fake cultured stone on. You will need to make a cage up of rebar to tie the gate anchors to and create a solid column. You don't want the concrete to break apart with the added weight of the gate swinging and you and your hubby playing on the gate.
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    Here's how our fireplace turned out.





    They actually recommend using embedding some expanded metal lathe in a scratch coat on the vertical surface first, and let that dry

    Then you butter the backs of the 'stone' and apply them to the scratch coat.

    It goes pretty fast.

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    Personally, I don't think the quotes are that out-of-line. If I understand you correctly, you're going to hang swinging gates on the posts/stone columns. With that kind of weight hanging on them, they better be properly engineered to remain functional.

    Personally, I might tackle it but not without a lot of research and the fore knowledge that it's going to be a lot of work.

    I made driveway gates once before and used 10' long 7"x7" railroad ties as the posts (approximately 4' were buried). To this day, I believe they're still in good order. I guess it would be possible to build a box around the posts and clad them with the veneer-type stones.

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