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  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    GTA Ontario Canada

    Bandsaw tip...UPDATE

    I just got through one of the all time best experiences i have had in woodworking to date.

    Bought a new type of blade from R&D bandsaw made for resawing veneer to find it go to the specials page. Well i trully did not believe it since i am incredibly skeptical of marketing jargon but this was amazing.

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    Just as reference my bandsaw is a delta 14 inch X5 bandsaw with riser block and 1.5 HP motor.

    Well i always wanted it to resaw wood. Never ever got it right. It would cut all sorts of skew bowed and whatever shapes. That is until i bought this blade and did this tune up.

    So for anyone here that is dissapointed with their bandsaw take a moment to pause and check out a few things.

    Here is what i did

    1) Cleaned the tyres (tire for Americans). My tyres are polyeurethane type and looking at them i never realized the amount of pitch and sawdust that had built up on them over the years. What caused this is the freebie that R&D bandsaws sent out with the pack of blades i bought. Its a small piece of the Maroon3m type scouring pads. Works well but i also used some of the goo be gone orange cleaner.

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    2) Checked to see my wheels were co planar with my straight edge. No worries here this is part of the X5 qaulity (made in the USA).

    3) Mounted the blade after moving all the guides and bearings out of the way and adjusted the blade tracking thumbscrew.

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    4) I then adjusted the tension so the blade was running nice and straight after fluttering although getting this blade to flutter was very difficult.

    5) Now here is where the big wake up came. I have always felt a great deal of vibration for my saw. Yeah for those of you about to say link belt i already did that upgrade when i first got it. But i remember many moons ago opening the cover on the lower pully to clear the dust and seeing the pully nearly sliding off the shaft. Bit of luck i thought at the time and pushed it back and tightened the allen key. At the time i did check to see it was inline with the drive pully but whats inline. So this time i took the straight edge and did a proper check and moved it over towards the bearing quiet a bit. As it says in the manual this is a source of vibration and all too true. What a difference it made. So check this out if you have a great deal of vibration. I still have some and when i checked the pulleys i see they not running quiet true so one upgrade i am going to look into is balanced pulleys. i will also have a plate made to mount the motor on as right now its not a couple of light gauge bent metal bars that can really flex. Sometimes i dont quiet understand manufacturers.
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    6) Then i set about adjusting the phenolic guid blocks which i had first sanded up nice and square and the thrust bearings.

    7) Now there is an adjustment on my saw for the table tilt to be able to bring it back to 90 degrees. What do you know it was out. Wonder why it was cutting wedgesDumas Rob.

    8) I have a kreg bandsaw fence, not that sure i love this thing like i thought i did but its what i got and this time i took the time to set it up properly. I thought i had done that in the beginning but turns out i did not use my head properly.

    9) Took a piece of an old elder log i had cut up long time ago. This stuff is hard as nails. Jointed it on two sides so as to get a square edge and pushed it through the blade. WOW could not believe my eyes

    So just like when you get to sharpen a plane blade for the first time this was the same experience.

    Of course i had to stop myself from cutting up all my wood.

    Took a piece of cherry and cut a slice less than 1mm off it and meausred it with a digital vernier (caliper to you guys in the USA) and could not believe my eyes. So i jointed the cherry again and put it through the planner to give me an outer side that is smooth and cut it again. Thinking well prior cut was a fluke. No ways i was able to cut another nice thin slice and this time the one side is planed smooth and the other just needs a couple of passes with sandpaper and bobs your uncle its perfect veneer.

    Of course it helps to have the extra hp in the motor and do akl the tune ups but the blade was my convert.

    Now i will say this, i come to realize a very important thing. Over time reading posts here i dont think we all realize and fully appreciate just how much incremental learning we do. Picking up tidbits along the way that shape some of our thinking and take us up the learning curve. Each success reinforcing the next. It took a fair bit of patience and determination but i succeeded in the end doing what i always wanted to with this machine.

    So thanks to all of you who contribute here that help the learning process I dont think this would have happened without you all.

    My only wish is this post helps some other newbie that may be struggling to get the satisfaction he/she desired from a machine of theirs.

    There is no getting round learning to properly set up a machine and it aint gonna happen overnight. I also dont believe you can hire someone to do it. This is part of understanding how it works and making it work for you.

    Sorry i was so excited by the events i did not get pictures of my cuts i dont keep a camera in my shop.
    Last edited by Rob Keeble; 12-24-2010 at 02:51 AM.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    No pic never happened.
    It could be worse You could be on fire.
    Stupid hurts.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Oh and yes you can hire some one else to set up a machine for you.
    The problem is that once they leave that's the only thing the machine can do.
    That is until the blade dulls than it can't even do that.
    It could be worse You could be on fire.
    Stupid hurts.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    No, not all of SoCal is Los Angeles!
    Glad you had a Eureka moment there Rob. They sure are fun. I find that once I get things do go well, it is easier to keep them going well as I now have a feel for it (whatever "it" may be). While I had my pulleys off to put a link belt on my G0513X I must have corrected an alignment problem that I didn't realize was present. The saw is now spooky-quiet. I mean more quiet than just the link belt could be credited for.

    P.s. I agree with Chuck that your grievous behavior in expounding your tale of thrills and chills with a thread that is conspicuously devoid of pictures is inexcusable. Do not temp the shop gods wrath ;- )
    Last edited by glenn bradley; 12-20-2010 at 03:55 PM.
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  5. #5
    Thanks for the tips Rob

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Amherst, New Hampshire
    Great tip Rob

    It's great when you make an investment and your highest hopes are realized
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  7. #7
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Central NY State
    Excellent advice Rob. My bandsaw has been finicky lately, I think I'll follow your lead and see if it behaves better. It's an old PM 141.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    ABQ NM
    Good write-up, Rob. I did a few short re-saws a few nights ago, and didn't take the time to set things up as accurately as I should have. I nearly ruined my workpieces, and spent longer fixing the bad cuts than I would have spent just setting up the saw correctly from the get-go. I also ended up with thinner material than I'd intended, so I had to make design changes to accommodate it.
    When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. - Hunter S. Thompson
    When the weird get going, they start their own forum. - Vaughn McMillan

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    North West Indiana
    I'm thinking Rob and Vaughn are finally getting around to building their bird houses!!!!
    God and family, the rest is icing on the cake.

    I'm so far behind, I think I'm in first place.

    Premier Bovine Scatologist


  10. #10
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Kansas City, Missouri
    Thanks Rob. I'll need to check the pulley's on mine as I've got the Delta as well, though mine is the 12" and the motor mounts differently, but have always had a thumping noise from it. It's due for a tune-up anyway.

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