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    Bandsaw, new or old

    I have a newer cheap 14 delta bandsaw, its OK. I was thinking of making a change if I can do it with little additional cost. I was thinking of selling mine and buying the grizzly ultimate 14" (the polar bear series is on special now). My other thought is look for an old 60-70s or older vintage machine. Is there anything I would be missing if I got the older machine? Usually the old ones don't have roller guides, are roller guides much better than guide blocks/cool blocks? I want to be able to do some resawing, I doubt that I would need more than 6" resaw height since I really don't have any wood wider than that. Is a fence a good way to go for resawing. I have seen some people use a post type of thing instead of a fence, seems harder that way to me, of course you wouldn't need to mess with fence drift angle. So new or old?

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    If it is that Grizzly, No question, the new. That is one HECK of a machine. I have an older Delta 14". It is in almost new condition. I have a new Grizzly. It is much easier to use. To me there is no question---the Grizzly.

    PM Glenn Bradley (my son). He has had a GO513 band saw for some time now. Ask what he thinks. Do a search on FWW and see what members have to say about their machines.

    I wish you the best of luck on your choice and I wish you the most possible happiness with your choice.

    Enjoy,

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    I've had the grizz ultimate 14" for about 6 or 8 months now and love it.
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    put some money into the one you have and make it do what you want..you probally wont get much for the one you have in todays market.. so why loose money to gain alittle in use and spend more money to get there.
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    Dave, in essence you are looking at the same saw (if you have the Delta model I am thinking of) You really need to do an apples for apples comparison on the two and provided your existing saw is in good condition and all things being equal. Say you can sell your Delta for 200 -250. So you are looking at 250 - 300 for the Griz and not getting alot more for that.
    IMHO that 250 - 300 could be better spent on upgrades and improvements to what you already have rather than making a lateral move.

    Grizzly makes some nice machinery, but the one you are looking at is old tech, just like the Delta you have. That design has been around a long time and there are several manufacturers out there making aftermarket accessories for it.
    IF you have the "cool blocks" I would suggest upgrading to the roller kit Carter makes. That alone will be a significant improvement.

    The pin for resawing allows you to freehand compensate for drift, Takes a bit of practice to get used to but some guys like it better than having to adjust their fence whenever they change operations or blades.

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    Dave I agree with Rich and Larry.

    Jim i think is refering to his new Grizzly bandsaw which is not the same as the Ultimate 14 inch.

    I have a delta X5 basically all the same technology.

    Where the difference comes in is simple.

    1) Motor horsepower....check out what you have its hp is a big thing to get improvement on this config of machine. Most are 3/4 mine is 1.5Hp and this makes a significant difference.

    2) The tires on the wheels and the type of wheels. Mine are cast and have been balanced and fitted with the polyeurethane rubber tires. This is a big improvement over the more traditional rubber tire.

    3) Tension spring. There is a guy called Iturra that has no website but sells upgrades for these machines that take all the tai chi issues and fix them. He developed a new spring for the tension. You can buy it at a few places its a square metal material and painted yellow but the tension ability is day and night.

    4) There is a part that controls the alignement of the top wheel and adjusts where the blade will track. This also sometimes on certain tai chi builds needs replacing and he makes a totally improved component. It helps correct many issues.

    5) Guides mine came with adjustable guids and normal steel blocks. I immediately upgraded to the phenolic graphite impregnated blocks and they fine and cheap and you can embedd the blade in them for extra stability, you dont really need the carter roller guides.

    6) For resaw get a decent blade. This is a huge issue after getting the machine all tuned up and aligned.

    Start with the motor and depending on what its size is i would then make the decision as to what my next steps would be. If its a decent size and the rest of the unit is in good condition generally (not bent and cracked etc) then put some money into the wheels, spring, cool blocks and check on your alignement casting to see if its bent or not. You will not believe the difference after this. Of course getting a decent blade goes without saying and will aplly whether you buy a new machine or keep the old so thats a wash essentially.

    Other add ons would be the riser block where you can increase the height of the resaw ability.

    But if you start to want to venture there, then all in you may be better off selling your unit but then i would save scrouge or do whatever and step up to what Glenn, Jim, Drew and others have just recently acquired and get a bigger one like the model Jim referred to.

    As i understand it you getting set to do some semi production for your drums etc then if you can muster the loot upgrade for future ease, production and quality of cut.

    Dave Lee Valley has all the bits and pieces you want. But if you can get hold of Iturra Design you will be heading down the right track too. I see his contact details in this link. Good luck

    http://www.spaceageceramicguideblock...ra-Design.html
    cheers

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    Upgrade the saw you have I have the older Grizzly G1019 band-saw with riser block & cool blocks see pic. I installed a Leeson 1.5 hp 1725 rpm motor that I had & cool blocks & with wood slicer blade from Highland wood-working.

    Now it slices & dices it's the new Ginsu ...oops sidetracked again but wait it can cut nice thin slices of veneer no problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Soby View Post
    Dave, in essence you are looking at the same saw (if you have the Delta model I am thinking of) You really need to do an apples for apples comparison on the two and provided your existing saw is in good condition and all things being equal. Say you can sell your Delta for 200 -250. So you are looking at 250 - 300 for the Griz and not getting alot more for that.
    IMHO that 250 - 300 could be better spent on upgrades and improvements to what you already have rather than making a lateral move.

    Grizzly makes some nice machinery, but the one you are looking at is old tech, just like the Delta you have. That design has been around a long time and there are several manufacturers out there making aftermarket accessories for it.
    IF you have the "cool blocks" I would suggest upgrading to the roller kit Carter makes. That alone will be a significant improvement.

    The pin for resawing allows you to freehand compensate for drift, Takes a bit of practice to get used to but some guys like it better than having to adjust their fence whenever they change operations or blades.
    I have the delta 28-276, in theory its not a bad saw but the quality of the castings are not good. Part of the table trunnions are diecast and they sit on the the machined lower casting of the saw, the machining there is so bad when I tightened the table tilt a little too much I cracked the die cast trunnion. I what thinking that I could make a more or less even trade for an older saw that would be better quality and make some upgrades to that. I did see a craftsman professional 14" on CL for a decent price, it has a steel frame rather than a cast frame. I don't know if they are better or not.

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    Wow! Yeah that's not good at all and sounds like the saw has bigger problems than just needing some upgrades.
    Craftsman has been made by many "name" brand companies over the years. The only problem that you will more likely than not run into with Craftsman is that the parts or accessories available are specific to craftsman. They usually do something just a little different so that you have to use their product.
    I would stick to more mainstream companies like an older Delta/Rockwell
    Or consider taking the jump and get a new saw. That Grizzly seems like a good one. Also, you might consider looking at the Rikon's I have an 18 and absolutely love it. They do make a 14 as well.

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    Dave,

    You have this one? http://www.thewoodnerd.com/reviews/d...aw_28-276.html

    And the trunnions are cracked? Are you sure you'll get a return on investment putting more money into it?

    I've heard lots of people say they're happy with their grizzleys. My memory's going, but I just can't remember the same number of people saying that about this saw...

    Thanks,

    Bill

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