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    Shop upgrades under consideration

    I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has some knowledge or opinion (first or second hand) of any of the following:

    1. Jet JJP 12HH jointer/planer combo with helical head.

    2. Installing the Incra LS/TS fence on a Sawstop contractor saw, or

    3 Installing the LS/TS on the Sawstop 115v cabinet saw.

    Thanks in advance.

    Tony
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    Hi,

    I'm no help. However, I wish you wonderful success.

    Enjoy,

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    tony , i cant remember who it was , but within the last year they got the jet combo here on the forum and liked it.. but another com[any to look at is felder and hammer which are the same company just different levels of machines. if you can get by with a 12" planer than you would be good on the combo less space and the jet or the others both change over fairly easy from what i have seen on video and from others opinions.. i know that a guy in here in canada just got he hammer this spring and loves it..
    as for the saws a sawstop in my opinion is better than any saw without the braking system.. and the incra products are all good stuff..
    i would suggest doing a search for the jet combo machine on you tube to se eif you can find some video on the change over and then look at the felder tools.
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    Not what you asked about, but let me join Larry in suggesting you look at the Felder/Hammer tools. I have the older model Hammer A3 31, 12" jointer/planer combo and have been very pleased with it. Knife changing is a breeze and switching from jointer to planer is fast and easy.... but today after unwrapping a stack of wide rough cut cherry I wish I had spent the extra money and gone with the 16" A4 41. There is even a new 'silent power' spiral cutter head available on these machines. Pricey but sweet!

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    Larry and Ted:

    I like what I see about the Hammer, but the price with a helical cutter is more than I can justify. Buying used is not much of an option for me, because in Vermont (where my shop is) I have seldom seen good used higher-end machinery (except for the occasional Unisaw ) on the market. If the Jet seems like a good machine, it will be big enough for my needs. Grizzly makes one of that size, but from the videos I have seen, I don't like the way it converts as much as I like the Jet.

    Maybe I should explain the upgrade program; it starts with the table saw. I currently have a TS3650 equipped with the Incra fence system and a Bench Dog cast iron router table in place of the left table on the saw. When I installed the fence , I chose not to split the rear rail, and so I cannot use the TS3650 blade guard. I use micro splitters, grippers, and adrenalin when I'm ripping boards. That's what is pushing me to the Sawstop.

    I want to keep the Incra fence. If I could mount it on the Sawstop contractor saw without the rear rail interfering with the blade tilting, I could use the Bench Dog router table on the Sawstop, but since I'm assuming that this will be the last saw I buy, I'm leaning toward the cabinet saw for the stability, ease of alignment and better dust collection. That would mean a separate new router table and an Incra positioner, but I could handle that. The trouble is, I'd be getting crowded if I added another piece on the floor.

    My shop is in the basement, and not very big. In addition to the table saw, I have a Makita SCM saw on a Ridgid tool cart, a 14" PM bandsaw, a DW734 planer on a roll around cabinet, and a Ridgid 6" jointer. A shop made assembly/outfeed table takes up the remaining open floor space. Drill press and belt/spindle sander are bench top units. No mortiser; I use Dowelmax, MortisePal and Beadlock jigs for that.

    The jointer is too small; the planer is OK, but on both of them I have had tearout problems with figured maple, which I can get from a local source, and love to work with.

    So that's where I am, and why. I think I should be able to sell the saw and the other tools easily enough if I price them reasonably; they're all in good condition. We'll see.

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    Can't help much on the jointer/planer or the saw (although I'd love a SawStop), but I've got an older Incra TSIII on my Ridgid TS3650 table saw, and if I ever upgrade the saw, the new one will definitely have an Incra on it. Best thing since carbide teeth, if you ask me.
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    tony get in touch with incra and see if the old fence will interchange in some way,, and that router table you have now needs to stay and either connect to the saw stop or use it for the router table in the future that cast iron table is a great tool..
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    Quote Originally Posted by larry merlau View Post
    tony get in touch with incra and see if the old fence will interchange in some way,, and that router table you have now needs to stay and either connect to the saw stop or use it for the router table in the future that cast iron table is a great tool..
    The cast iron router table extension could be an asset in selling the saw; if so, adios Bench Dog. If I kept it, I'd have to build it into a larger table top to accommodate an Incra positioner. I know that Woodpeckers makes a good offset table that fits my router plate and is predrilled for the incra positioner. If the Bench Dog extension doesn't go with the saw, I still have the original cast iron extension table for the saw. I might find a buyer for the Bench Dog (and the fence and other accessories that came with it); they are selling new for around $400, and mine are in good shape.
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    A friend who likes to complicate my life by (usually) pointing out the obvious, has made a few observations and suggestions:

    1. I don't need a jointer bigger than 8''. Based on my experience, he's probably right. We both agree that something like a GO490X would do the job.

    2. Having separate units is more convenient, and if I relocate my trashcan/separator to an adjacent utility/wood storage area (where the DC unit currently sits) I will have room for a stand-alone router table and a planer station. Right again.

    3. The money saved by avoiding the cost of a good combo unit will allow for buying a new DW735 and a Byrd cutter head. Right again, it seems.

    I've see a YouTube video showing how to swap out the head on the DW735, and it looks doable.

    If any one has any experience with the GO490x or swapping out the head on the DW735, or has any thoughts about either, I'd appreciate hearing.

    Thanks,

    Tony
    Last edited by Tony Maio; 01-13-2013 at 02:37 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Maio View Post
    A friend who likes to complicate my life by (usually) pointing out the obvious, has made a few observations and suggestions:

    1. I don't need a jointer bigger than 8''. Based on my experience, he's probably right. We both agree that something like a GO490X would do the job.

    2. Having separate units is more convenient, and if I relocate my trashcan/separator to an adjacent utility/wood storage area (where the DC unit currently sits) I will have room for a stand-alone router table and a planer station. Right again.

    3. The money saved by avoiding the cost of a good combo unit will allow for buying a new DW735 and a Byrd cutter head. Right again, it seems.

    I've see a YouTube video showing how to swap out the head on the DW735, and it looks doable.

    If any one has any experience with the GO490x or swapping out the head on the DW735, or has any thoughts about either, I'd appreciate hearing.

    Thanks,

    Tony
    Oh goody. Complicating someone else's life helps me see mine as less complicated . . .

    1. I found a 6" jointer too narrow 90% of the time but, find my 8" will handle 99.9% of what I need to do.

    2. Having separate units works well for the way I work.

    3. When deciding between a spiral head on my lunchbox and just stepping up to a larger machine, I went with the larger machine. Putting a $400 head in a $500 planer not really designed to push it seemed doable but, I grew to question the wisdom for the long haul. For another $500, I'll drive this machine to the tomb.

    I have had the G0490X since mid 2008. I have used it many times a week since then. At the 18 month mark I rotated the cutters. I am still on the second cutting edge. Reasonably quiet but, who cares? You are always wearing your hearing protection anyway, right? It showed up so well aligned I had to keep checking to find what I was "missing". I couldn't believe it was that good out of the box.

    Mine is the older style so I had to enclose the dust chute (the new ones have this done already) and add a link belt (the new ones use a serpentine belt so this again is not necessary). I love the long infeed and tall fence. My list of gotta-haves when I went looking were:
    - parallelogram beds (if you ever adjusted a dovetail-way machine, you know why).
    - long beds.
    - tall fence.
    - spiral head.

    There were a few that filled the bill but at nearly half the cost and hundreds of positive posts, I took the plunge on the Grizzly. No regrets; I smile every time I use it.
    Last edited by glenn bradley; 01-13-2013 at 03:58 PM.
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