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    electric trouble on job site

    a 3 way and then a 4 way and then another 3 way well i got two pieces of romex 3 wire coming to the 4 way but i had to splice those and make the 4 switch in a different location,, they had two reds on the switch and two whites on the switch then the blacks were tied together.. this system also make the outlets on the up stairs work on the top but the botttom are on always.. well i cnt sen to get it to work the way it did and i was carefull to put red to red and white to whit and black to black but i cant get the switches to all work together right???? will try to draw pic if needed to help you sparkys out.
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    Are they the same brand of switch. Dad was an electrician & told me he had a problem when they were not the same brand but when they got all the same brand on the same circuit it worked fine.
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    Larry it sounds like you have your travelers crossed. The two reds and the two whites have to be on the same poles on both of the switches if this makes any sense to you . when they are crossed they wont work together properly
    I'm supposed to respect my elders, but its getting harder and harder for me to find one now.

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    here is a picture of what i am against..Click image for larger version. 

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    i understand travelers charles, as i tried to show in the sketch i just connected the reds and the whites and the blacks together in the junction box and then wired the 4 way with reds on top and whites on bottom like it was before. but i am missing something i tried several combos and cant get it to work the way they say its used to work.
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    Hey, Larry.

    I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're up against, but here are a couple of drawings I found.

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    bill the second pic is what i have but they used white instead of the blacks--- what i need to do was move the switch to a new location and add wire to each leg to do so.
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    Charles may have nailed the problem. In your drawing, the colors of the wires are matched at the top and the bottom rather than on each of the sides of the 4-way switch.
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    Larry what you have is most likely, swapped the white wires or the black wires (Crossed them) when you attached them to the switch This will allow one switch to turn the light on but won't let the other turn it off. Notice on Bills picture that the wires are in the same location ( corresponding terminals) on each switch, this is how they have to be in order for them to work properly,
    I'm supposed to respect my elders, but its getting harder and harder for me to find one now.

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    Larry,

    With the 4-way out of the circuit, use an ohmmeter to do the following.

    Lead 1 on any terminal and keep it there. Use lead 2 to find the one terminal showing continuity. Flip switch. Find second terminal showing continuity. These two terminals should have the travelers from one 3-way hooked to them. The travelers from the second 3-way hook to the remaining terminals. With luck it will work.

    Ike

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