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    Building Five Talents - Post 3

    And so it begins.

    Five Talents is the name of my little piece of dirt. I intend to build a small home and decent sized shop, whatever that turns out to be. Today I will schedule a meeting with a septic company to get that process started.

    First up building-wise is a storage shed. Now I need it to store the gennie and construction tools. I can build a 120 sqft building without the permit. That is big enough, for the lot is a only little over 5100 sqft. After construction is complete, I can use it for yard things and seasonal items. Already planning on not sharing the shop with inappropriate items.

    Eventually, I'll have power in the shed. Right now I am wondering about locating power on the property. The feed is aerial but I want it underground by the end of things. I can get a construction meter. I don't yet know what that will cost. Do you think it would be better to build a meter pedestal near the electrical pole which is on the NW corner of the lot? Or go with the construction meter fed aerially with the final meter location somewhere on the building? Admittedly I have yet to talk with the power folks as they would not speak with me until I was the owner of the property. Later today I will schedule a project manager to take a look. That will take upwards of ten days. My point today is to arm myself with some options to talk about. The goal is least hassle and least expensive without sacrificing undo convenience and flexibility.

    FWIW, this is a corner lot, the NW corner anchoring Park Street and Canyon Drive. So, a pretty visible spot. The meter pedestal I envision would be part of a planter and minimized visually with rock, plants, and brick. It may not matter as the smart meters don't need to be physically read anymore, but they do need to be accessible.

    I would like to have this pretty much decided before I site the storage shed. I'd like it to be in the SE corner (the inside corner) of the lot. Requirements are that it be no closer than 2 feet to the property lines, but the shed books I have been looking at suggest 3 feet for maintenance accessibility. I'd like power in the shed eventually anyway. It sure would be handy while under construction. And yes, that requires a permit. And a site plan. And a septic plan. And the whirlpool of priorities begins.

    Of course I am relying on your help to keep me mindful of things I need not forget. You are all like big brothers with the occasional big sister thrown in. Family, remember? How very cool this is and will be.

    Welcome on the ride. Bring on your comments. May we all have a hoot.
    Last edited by Carol Reed; 04-30-2014 at 03:52 PM.
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    So the big a question for today...When does escrow close?
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    Looking forward to this journey. So you're at about 1/8th of an acre. I'm curious what they have planned for the septic system, I think our county requires about 2 acres to have a septic system/leach field. So will the system have a leaching field or are looking at just a storage tank that gets pumped from time to time?

    If you're looking at burying the electrical I'd probably still lean towards a temp pole closer to your build site to make things easier for you and your sub contractors.
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    I am going to give the same advice I gave my Dad either build a gambrel roofed shed with the extra height something close to 4' at the top of the roof line, or build it tall enough for good head clearance & a partial second story for light stuff you don't use very often. It won't cost that much more but will help keep lot of stuff out of your shop. Also put good ventilation in the gable ends.

    Dad chose the 10' x 12' gambrel roofed shed & put a second deck in with a hole in the center to pass items through & he stored a lot of stuff up there.
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    120 sqft w/o permit is not bad. I think in Los Angeles they only allow up to 64 sqft w/o permit.

    This should be interesting to follow along.
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    Can you post a pic of your survey plat so we can see what you are talking about?

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    I like that you have a name - and the name is really cool.

    I actually had a contractors license for a while in Mass. Mass allowed a 120 sq-ft with no permit rule also. Essentially that is a 10x12 shed.

    One thing you need to consider though is the distance from the property line that you can build that shed.

    Also - there is no stipulation as to how many 120 sq-ft buildings you can build.

    A 10x12 is a nice size shed actually. You could even consider a folding work surface outside with a hinged leanto sort of door for tool storage. Heck - if yer up to it - a "loft" - maybe even with a bed up there.

    If you "really" get to it - 12x10 is actually big enough to live in. People DO do that. 2-3 of those 12x10's gets you a long way. I could do it. Could raise chickens for meat and eggs. Could grow veggies. Could raise rabbits - they are tasty.

    OK - so I think a little differently than most folk.

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    Do you really want to put all your stuff in a shed on an empty lot ?????

    Are you planning on having your motor home on the lot while you build this ??

    Are you sure that you can have a septic system on only 1/8 acre ??

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    Shed set backs were covered in the first post.

    Drawing of the lot will be posted later.

    "All' my stuff will not be in the shed on the empty lot. Just what I am using on a day to day basis.

    I don't plan to put the MH on the lot while building, but later I would like to put the Putter Palace and the PPX there. That will represent all the tools though.

    I have a septic guy who is reputed to get a system on 'difficult' lots. There are approved systems for small lots.

    With any luck the raspberries will multiply like weeds. I love 'em. But I don't have a green thumb at all so this may be an exercise in futility. We will see. If the raspberry bush survives my bumbling attempt, I will try a veggie garden.

    I wish the county would let me live in a couple of 10x12's but no-go there! Living in small spaces is cool. And I do think a lot like you, Leo. But I travel too much to have livestock.
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    My recently retired co-worker has a country property, and just had their septic re-done as part of a house renovation. He reported that septic technology has changed a lot and they can do it on much smaller lots. His system as pumps and chambers and alarms on it that help "speed" the process and they have a much smaller system than before.

    Also, I have been up north several times to cottage country, where lots are even smaller than Carol's and they also have septic systems.
    So all you nay sayers who think you need two acres... It just ain't so, guys.

    Sorry, Carol, but I can't really advise you on the whole pole placement.

    One question - does your zoning have rules about percentage lot coverage? Also does it have rules about how large an outbuilding can be in relation to the main building?
    (My brother is currently house hunting and was thinking about one lot that had a basic bungalow, with plans to slap up a 24x30 garage for his shop, but then he discovered that the zoning of that city stated that a detached garage could only be up to 40% of size of the house footprint, which limited him to something like 19x20 or thereabouts.)

    best wishes on this! I love watching a house build!
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