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    This appears to be a case of "No News is Bad News". I wonder what the status is now.

    Ever wonder about the detrimental effects & extent of "withheld" information by all governments throughout the world that is done to "protect" the "ignorant" masses, whether from natural disasters or politics?

    On the flip side, to be legitimately proactive to avoid widespread panic that would cause major disruption, thus preventing or delaying corrective action is sometimes a necessary evil.

    Indeed, a very fine line between!
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    Yes, Fukushima was a bad event, but in all fairness, there are a number of people who dispute the severity of the damage and the predicted future consequences. Many of them are actual nuclear engineers and scientists, as opposed to web bloggers and YouTube journalists. Personally, I don't have enough unbiased data to make a decision of my own. (And I try not to let YouTube videos with dramatic music shape my opinions on this type of thing.) ;-)

    Keep in mind that I may be biased. I have lived much of my life in Los Alamos and Albuquerque (or points in between), where there are more nuclear physicists per capita than most places. Nuclear science and energy (in various forms) paid a lot of my parents' bills when I was a kid, and continued to play a part in my income for quite a few years once I became an adult. From this experience I know for fact that there are a lot of uninformed people waving their hands and running in circles about "nuclear" anything, when they actually have no idea what they are talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughn McMillan View Post
    Yes, Fukushima was a bad event, but in all fairness, there are a number of people who dispute the severity of the damage and the predicted future consequences. Many of them are actual nuclear engineers and scientists, as opposed to web bloggers and YouTube journalists. Personally, I don't have enough unbiased data to make a decision of my own. (And I try not to let YouTube videos with dramatic music shape my opinions on this type of thing.) ;-)

    Keep in mind that I may be biased. I have lived much of my life in Los Alamos and Albuquerque (or points in between), where there are more nuclear physicists per capita than most places. Nuclear science and energy (in various forms) paid a lot of my parents' bills when I was a kid, and continued to play a part in my income for quite a few years once I became an adult. From this experience I know for fact that there are a lot of uninformed people waving their hands and running in circles about "nuclear" anything, when they actually have no idea what they are talking about.
    Well said Vaughn

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    It is something to be concerned about, no doubt, but I was raised around the nuclear industry (Hanford Project in Washington) and know you don't walk around in radiated area with just a dust mask on and even worse, with a beard. The problems in Japan has are scary, but in this video I think it is as much overstated as the other side is understating it.
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    considering what that plant withstood to begin with. designed to survive a level 7 earthquake, it survived a level 9, which moved parts of northern japan about 8 ft closer to north america, dropped parts of japan's coast upwards of about 2 ft in places, and shifted the planet's axis by about 4-10 inches (which will make for some interesting climate changes), and cracked the sea floor open. after that, it was running on diesel powered backups until a tsunami hit that went over the top of a 33 ft high seawall that was constructed to prevent such a thing from happening, knocking out the diesels, putting the plant on battery power until the saltwater shorted them out about 8 hours later. sounds to me like a pretty darned tough plant was hit by something so severe that the designers didn't think would happen, and survived for as long as it did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gibson View Post
    ...I tend to dismiss anything said by the extremists on either side of most issues.
    That's a good policy, and one I try to adhere to myself, too.
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    Based on some quick internet search there were over 500 above ground tests of nuclear weapons (which released radioactive material into the air) worldwide.
    The US has detonated at total of 1054 devices up to 1992 (above and below ground.) When you add in what everybody else in the world has done, those numbers double.

    It would be interesting for someone with real knowledge to tell the difference between a leak from a damaged plant to an actual nuclear warhead detonated. It would seem that with over 500 above ground nuclear testing that have occurred, many in the Pacific, that accurate impact would be known. We still seem to be living and fishing in the Pacific even after all those testing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Damon View Post
    ...It would be interesting for someone with real knowledge to tell the difference between a leak from a damaged plant to an actual nuclear warhead detonated. It would seem that with over 500 above ground nuclear testing that have occurred, many in the Pacific, that accurate impact would be known. We still seem to be living and fishing in the Pacific even after all those testing...
    There are different types of radiation (gamma, alpha, beta, etc.) and their behaviors and associated dangers vary, too. In general terms, gamma radiation is the one to be the most concerned about. It's my understanding that a nuclear weapon emits mostly gamma radiation, which is harmful indeed. The radiation from a leaking nuclear power plant is a combination of gamma, alpha, and beta.

    Here's more info, although I can't vouch for the neutrality of the source:

    http://www.hiroshimasyndrome.com/fuk...ion-leaks.html
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    1st of all I can speak from some authority on the subject since I spent 6 year while in the Navy in the Nuclear field the first 2 1/2 were spent training and the last 3 1/2 working in the engineering department on a Nuclear submarine, The USS Nathan Hale. One of the biggest mistakes I made in my carrier was not staying in the nuclear field when I got out. I was trained as a licensed radiation handler and I participated in the refueling of the reactor on the submarine. Needless to say I have been in a reactor compartment. I can honestly say that I received more far damage to my body from the asbestos on the submarine then from exposure to radiation. That said I won't comment on the film clip until I have had a chance to watch it and since I can't get it to load I will hold off.
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