well, after screwing up the blank another 2 times, it will have to hold off until next spring. part of the problem is for some reason with this one, is problems controlling the z axis. for some reason, even with the movement amount limited to .001", the spindle would fly up to the top when sending it back to zero. another thing was setting the zero for the 1/4" mill. that, and getting surprised that even with a slow feed rate, 20 ipm, it sounded like it was dragging the bit through the wood. when i tried to set it up again, it went to an entirely different area. seems that this is a project with problems. solved the over extension of the bit tonight. i marked where the bottom of the collet was when the bit bottomed out in the spindle. then checked it against the 1/8" end mill, and then had pop take his grinder, and lopped off the extra (off the non cutting end of course), now i have a bit that is slightly longer than the others, that will have about an inch and a half exposed for cutting, rather than the almost two and a half inches before. that and a reduced even further feed rate, and shallower cut depths should help out some.