Rob Keeble
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Thanks for clarification John.
Just some feedback, i think your mandate is an excellent initiative. Wish you all the best.
Couple weeks back i attended the Canadian annual collision industry conference.
What was interesting was a similar debate took place with representatives from several of the educators from local trade colleges. Specifically the heads of department for collision repair subject.
The collision industry is in serious difficulty finding personnel with suitable skills for the current vehicles and direction the auto industry is going with all the anti collision avoidance systems.
Then add in the OEM system diagnostics and the variety of metals and sophistication of paint and the person a collision shop needs does just not exist and neither does a training course.
Now comes the issue of equipment these classes need to be able to actually teach the skills to students and each college taking part was battling with funding to buy equipment.
In their case its not that they ain't got funding but the problem is the equipment is being made obsolete at a rate they cannot keep up with replacement. Btw the same problem is being experienced by the actual shops.
Between regulation and technical complexity a spray booth today is a million dollar investment.
Then comes the diagnostic scanners. Forget the OBD 2 system. Most OEMs today have their own and we talking $14 k for a setup. One OE has targets needed to calibrate the anti collision kit on their cars and those targets sell for $4k alone and thats only to do a single OE's vehicles.
So John i totally sympathize i don't see how on earth education keeps up with pace of change of tech in general. If a funded college with individual paying students cannot keep pace with industry specific training how does a school do it. Then to boot as you point out a rural school.
I have no idea about the regulations, but John any chance you could be permitted to do a kickstarter campaign to raise more coin for your program. I think you have such a good case it would get well supported.
To teach the kids the full business cycle of a machine would be excellent insight for them.
I support making them part of equipment purchase / research. Thats a task that needs doing in any business before the process can be used.
And hey if the cnc kit builders provide donations i would write to each one asking for assistance and donations.
You got lucky kids John. Lucky to have you.
Just some feedback, i think your mandate is an excellent initiative. Wish you all the best.
Couple weeks back i attended the Canadian annual collision industry conference.
What was interesting was a similar debate took place with representatives from several of the educators from local trade colleges. Specifically the heads of department for collision repair subject.
The collision industry is in serious difficulty finding personnel with suitable skills for the current vehicles and direction the auto industry is going with all the anti collision avoidance systems.
Then add in the OEM system diagnostics and the variety of metals and sophistication of paint and the person a collision shop needs does just not exist and neither does a training course.
Now comes the issue of equipment these classes need to be able to actually teach the skills to students and each college taking part was battling with funding to buy equipment.
In their case its not that they ain't got funding but the problem is the equipment is being made obsolete at a rate they cannot keep up with replacement. Btw the same problem is being experienced by the actual shops.
Between regulation and technical complexity a spray booth today is a million dollar investment.
Then comes the diagnostic scanners. Forget the OBD 2 system. Most OEMs today have their own and we talking $14 k for a setup. One OE has targets needed to calibrate the anti collision kit on their cars and those targets sell for $4k alone and thats only to do a single OE's vehicles.
So John i totally sympathize i don't see how on earth education keeps up with pace of change of tech in general. If a funded college with individual paying students cannot keep pace with industry specific training how does a school do it. Then to boot as you point out a rural school.
I have no idea about the regulations, but John any chance you could be permitted to do a kickstarter campaign to raise more coin for your program. I think you have such a good case it would get well supported.
To teach the kids the full business cycle of a machine would be excellent insight for them.
I support making them part of equipment purchase / research. Thats a task that needs doing in any business before the process can be used.
And hey if the cnc kit builders provide donations i would write to each one asking for assistance and donations.
You got lucky kids John. Lucky to have you.