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    Thinking outside the errrrrrrr garage

    LOML has encouraged me to think about leasing some space to set up my shop so we (she) can reclaim the garage. The zoning/setback requirements in our town as such that building on simply isn't possible, and going "up" would be way too expensive for what we'd get. I'm trying to find some kind of cool way to provide cover for the cars in the drive way similar to these things

    http://www.shadesails.com/ but I don't even know if I'll be able to get that by the zoning board. If that is successful, I'll have complete access to the 2 car garage without any guilt!

    But, being the realistic pessimist that I am, I think that "plan B" will be more realistic, finding someplace to set up a work place.

    Of course, this doesn't allow me to stroll over to the workbench when the spirit moves me, or to have Linda call out, "dinner's ready get in here" or "when are you going to start the barbecque"

    I imagine that I'd have to get separate insurance to cover my tools/equipment, and have to put in lots of security features so things didn't "walk" when I was home. What other issues must I consider? Is 220 volts availablity common in these types of circumstances? Multi year leases? This isn't a business, just a hobby.

    Jay

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    Jay, I have a similar situation at my house. My wife parks her car inside the garage and i have to move everything to one side. it's impossible to make even a simple cut with things put away. because of hurricanes a cover like shade sails would not be practical. i do have a nice size backyard and i built a 8 x 10 shed in the back yard. it matches the style of my house and allows me to store all my hurricane supplies, generator, fuel ect. i could of easily built it 2 to 3 times bigger if i had known 5 years ago i was going to get into this hobby. at the very least it allows a place to store the things that most people keep in their garage allowing more room just for woodworking. i would only want to work at the house for all the reasons you stated. whoops gotta go time to start the barbeque

    Gene

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    Gene

    Yeah, I know about hurricanes! But I'm hoping that something like that could be "furled" or at least taken down when storms threatened.

    As it is, we can only get one car in the garage if we are facing a "wind event" so I have to decide where to park the second one with an eye out for potential falling trees.

    Jay

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    When LOML threatens to take back the garage, I suggest a compromise involving something she wants, like, "well maybe after I finish those dining room chairs you want...". Luckily, the list of furniture she wants grows faster than I can make it, so I'm pretty safe.

    Maybe you could tempt Linda with the prospect of a nice new piece of furniture.
    Don't believe everything you think!

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    Jesse

    The honey do list is well established, it isn't that she doesn't want me to be doing it, it just is THAT SHE WANTS IT ALL

    One of the other problems is that our driveway is shaded by some lovely live oaks, that constantly drop err "stuff" on the cars so there is an ongoing maintenance issue that would be reduced if we could put them under cover.

    Jay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Knoll View Post
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    The zoning/setback requirements in our town as such that building on simply isn't possible,
    ...
    Jay
    Move to a place where folks are reasonable
    Cheers, Frank

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    Jay,

    I suspect that you could have a problem with renting and insurance. You might want to check with tod evans to get an idea of what his insurance is costing, but as I recall from my days as a fire inspector (about 30 years ago) the building codes classified woodworking as a hazardous occupancy and required somewhat stricter structural requirements. This could easily lead to higher insurance costs. The thinking, as I recall, is that the dust generated (both fine dust and larger saw dust) can become both an explosion hazard and increased fire hazard.

    Now that I think of it tod may not be the right person to ask, since I think he lives outside a city. Normally there are no or very few codes applied outside a municipal area. I would be concerned that even if the individual renting the space overlooked the possible insurance problem, the fact that you were conducting this kind of operation could open you up to liability should anything happen. Perhaps one of the insurance guys can expand on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Knoll View Post
    LOML has encouraged me to think about leasing some space to set up my shop so we (she) can reclaim the garage.
    ....
    This isn't a business, just a hobby.
    Jay... I'm just speculating here, but somehow I think that those two facts (leasing space, and it's not a business just a hobby) are going to be contradictory.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Pellow View Post
    Move to a place where folks are reasonable
    I find I agree with Frank. Or at least move to a place with the room that you need.

    If I had to drive to visit my shop? I wouldn't.

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    I rented a shop I shared with my Mentor John for several years. Yeah it's a royal pain in the tuckus, however. In the end, I'd look for a nearby light industrial park and see what is available there if you're going to look for a place to rent, you'll have fewer problems in that sort of neighborhood.

    You'll get the power you need probably already installed, or at least available without too many issues. The business incubator I was in with John had more than ample power available. If you go through a realtor, tell them you're looking for xxxx sq ft in a 'flex' building.
    -Ned

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    I think that Ned's suggestion about a light industrial park would be the best answer for a rented remote shop. They are accustomed to things like that and as he says you would probably not have any electrical problems to face.

    At the storage place where I have my storage unit there are at least two guys that have places rented there that have set up shop. They have the larger units that have doors that open on both ends. I often wonder how they handle any extra charge for electricity and if they have 220 or not but have not stopped by to ask. I guess that the stroage place is set up for it. You might want to check this sort of thing out if there is one near you.

    Add me to the list of members that would not like a remote shop. I do not think that I would tend to go there near as often as I would out to my garage to work on some projects but a guy has to do what he has to do.

    I also would like some type of carport covers but I would never get away with it here.

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