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Dan Noren said:
according to the new york times, the us has called for a halt of the johnson & johnson vaccine, due to blood clotting...
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From what I saw, it was a total of 6 out of more than 6.8 million people who had blood clotting issues. One fatality and one hospitalized in critical condition. They're calling it a temporary pause to investigate further, not a halt.
 
Wife and I ,have almost a month in, on the second jab.
After the first..I felt fatigued..the second..nothing.
as always..be aware
 
I guess I am the "odd woman out" here (I said "odd", not "old", you geezers:rofl::rofl: :rofl: ). I am NOT an anti-vaxer (have gotten my regular flu gene therapy, shots for the last 20 years, well not this year due to obvious reasons). May be 15% conspiracy theorist, but that is not where I'm going with this.

Had my annual exam last week and my doctor asked me if I had the shot or was planning to get it. I said, no, at this point. It totally doesn't mean I won't. Sorry, but I need just a few more data points before pulling the trigger (I guess today we added one more data point). She said she totally understood and didn't try to hard sell me on it...refreshing. In fact, some of the things we are exploring with me would have probably put me at a much higher risk for the J&J one.

What I am saying, I need to know more. Since herd immunity is kicking in and very few states are relaxing the mask stuff, I'm not sure exactly how life will be getting back to normal anytime soon.
I guess I prefer to do what I have done the last year and a half if necessary for a while. Wear my mask, social distance, but out of public see my friends and family without a second thought and wait and see. Meanwhile, I will be making my Peppermill casino reservations tomorrow to go gambling next week (note to self, next pandemic, invest all your money into plexi-glass manufacturing companies)

Plus I prefer to know that it eventually becomes officially FDA approved.
 
I guess Dan's gonna have to give up Ice Cream....
Polysorbate 80 is used as an emulsifier in foods.

For example, in ice cream, polysorbate is added up to 0.5% (v/v) concentration to make the ice cream smoother and easier to handle, as well as increasing its resistance to melting.[5] Adding this substance prevents milk proteins from completely coating the fat droplets. This allows them to join together in chains and nets, which hold air in the mixture, and provide a firmer texture that holds its shape as the ice cream melts.
 
Vaughn McMillan said:
There are a LOT of things in our lives that contain polysorbate-80. ;)
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but none of them are injected.
Don Baer said:
I guess Dan's gonna have to give up Ice Cream....
Polysorbate 80 is used as an emulsifier in foods.

For example, in ice cream, polysorbate is added up to 0.5% (v/v) concentration to make the ice cream smoother and easier to handle, as well as increasing its resistance to melting.[5] Adding this substance prevents milk proteins from completely coating the fat droplets. This allows them to join together in chains and nets, which hold air in the mixture, and provide a firmer texture that holds its shape as the ice cream melts.
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you aren't shooting up any french vanilla, don?
 
Dan Noren said:
but none of them are injected.
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I beg to differ:
www.researchgate.net

Table 2 . Drug list containing polysorbate 80

Download Table | Drug list containing polysorbate 80 from publication: Intravenous tacrolimus and cyclosporine induced anaphylaxis: what is next? | Tacrolimus and cyclosporine have been used in various formulations, but their hypersensitivity reactions are rare in practice. Castor oil...
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Polysorbate 80 and Adverse Events​

Polysorbate 80 has been associated with a number of adverse events. In food, small concentrations of undigested polysorbate 80 may enhance bacterial translocation across intestinal epithelia, a potential explanation for an observed increase in the incidence of Crohn’s disease [34]. In drug formulations, polysorbate 80 has been implicated in a number of systemic reactions (e.g., hypersensitivity, nonallergic anaphylaxis, rash) and injection- and infusion-site adverse events (ISAEs; e.g., pain, erythema, thrombophlebitis) [3, 35–37]. Polysorbate 80 has also been implicated in cases of renal and liver toxicity [38–40].

When it’s used as a vaccine emulsifier, numerous studies confirm that polysorbate 80 can increase cell permeability, damage and bursting. Furthermore, after injection it can quickly break down into sorbitol and ethylene oxide. The sorbitol may increase the risk of diabetes as well as cell death, mitochondrial failure, and DNA fragmentation. The Hazardous Substances Data Bank of the US National Library of Medicine warns that sorbitol “is not to be injected.” But twenty times more ethylene oxide than sorbitol is produced, and it’s even more toxic.

Injected polysorbate 80 has also been shown to abruptly change heart function. A statement about a drug used to treat anaemia related to chronic kidney disease and chemotherapy warns: “Clinical studies have shown darbepoetin alfa (polysorbate 80) to increase the risk of serious side effects (eg, blood clots, stroke, heart attack, heart failure) and death in some cases. It has also been shown to shorten overall survival and/or increase the risk of tumor growth or recurrence in patients with certain types of cancer.” A very long list of side effects which “Applies to darbepoetin alfa: injection solution” is provided for consumers. However, just a few of them “usually do not need medical attention”!

  1. Injected polysorbate 80 metabolizes into chemicals that are much more toxic than the original chemical.
      • These studies show that after injection polysorbate 80 breaks down into sorbitol and ethylene oxide. The NIH toxicology network states that sorbitol is “not to be injected,” and that ethylene oxide is a “known carcinogen,” among other concerning toxicity information.
 
Chuck Ellis said:
This was our first visit, so no history with the doctor... we let the girl tht told us she wouldn't see Dianne that we weren't happy and would talk to our primary and let her know how we were treated. We won't be going back... will be looking for another doctor....
From where we live it's 45-55 miles to any of our doctors... there aren't any doctors in Tellico Plains. We always plan our trips to allow for about 15 minutes over what we think the drive time will be... didn't and couldn't know about a sink hole in the middle of our route.
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It's a different world up here on long island
We have 100's of doctors within 10 miles of our house
Maybe 1000 s within 20 miles
10 hospitals within 30 minutes

And it's that reason the doctors in such rural areas have to give a little slack now and then

we weren't far from you on our road trip down south in 2019
We were outside of Asheville in cherokee
And drove thru the entire state on tenn from Nashville to Memphis
And we loved every foot of Tennessee
 
Don Baer said:
I guess Dan's gonna have to give up Ice Cream....
Polysorbate 80 is used as an emulsifier in foods.

For example, in ice cream, polysorbate is added up to 0.5% (v/v) concentration to make the ice cream smoother and easier to handle, as well as increasing its resistance to melting.[5] Adding this substance prevents milk proteins from completely coating the fat droplets. This allows them to join together in chains and nets, which hold air in the mixture, and provide a firmer texture that holds its shape as the ice cream melts.
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Okay, ain't gonna give up my Blue Bell.... what ever they put in it, it's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD.
 
We had our 2nd shots 2 weeks ago. We got the Pfeizer vaccine being administered by the local hospital. It was done in a drive thru tent in one of their parking lots outside the hospital by appointment. My wife and I both had tender to touch shoulders for a couple of days, followed by a couple of days of a little more tired than usual after each shot. We are both fine now and even during those "a little more tired than usual" days we made no changes in our day to day lives.

A close friend and his wife got the Moderna vaccine and they felt very bad for several days after each shot.
Since there are so many versions, it would be interesting to me if you could all post which you received along with your after effects.

Charley
 
Maderna
sore arm after the first
sore arm and mild fatigue for 1 day after the second
I will say that I had Covid in Jan and received the antibody infusion with it so I already had a large amount of anti bodies in my body which may have lessoned the after effects of the shots.
 
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