Welding for crafts

allen levine

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First I'm just exploring welding so not sure if I'll get into it
I want to be able to make lawn art and stuff of that nature
Example
Weld old horseshoes together and make flowers

Can anyone suggest the easiest way and equipment I would need for simple welding like that

I want to thank in advance

It's just something I'm thinking about as I get a lot of requests for things that need simple welds and I'm zero mechanically inclined nor have I ever welded anything
Only for crafts no fancy or difficult weight bearing welding
Flowers lawn carts figurines this kinda stuff

What triggered my interest was similar to how I began making pvc pipe animals
On our way back north we stopped off at a rest area welcome center that was also an art gallery type of place
A lot of steel art and the prices offended me
And alot of people seem interested in this stuff and there's plenty of scrap steel laying all over the place here
So just running it thru my head
 

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My suggestion would be to make your local college your first stop. It may or may not be true, but the one local to me has an excellent intro to welding program which walks through all of the basics and has a "you can use the equipment as well when it's not in use" policy for folks taking the class. Failing that there may also be a local maker space that has some classes. Either way a little hands on experience before dropping coin on equipment goes a long ways towards helping determine the sort of thing you'd want to do, what you'd want to do it with, and specifically how to do it.

Having said that there are basically three/four options for this kind of work.
  • There's the old school acetylene torch brazing. This is a remarkably versatile piece of equipment and also gives you some cutting capabilities although a plasma cutter gives much cleaner cuts (both still need grinding before welding though). It's been a long time since I did much torch work but it was kind of fun in the "I'm doing artisanal work" sort of feeling.
  • A simple MIG welder. I have one of these, it's pretty handy for small stuff. The thickness I can do (hobart 140) is still limited to maybe 1/4" but I can stick most things I want to together fairly well. I mostly use flux core which splatters a fair bit, solid core with gas would be cleaner but I haven't spent the $ gas setup yet. Welding really thin stuff (thin pipe, barrels) does take a bit of practice and adjustment of settings to both get a solid weld and not blow through.
  • An all in one MIG/TIG/Plasma (nominally this is for the "TIG" option hence the 3 choice.. but these do do a lot more so really 4 options if we count this instead of just a tig machine). There are several options out there in the combo machines, I'm not super familiar with all of them. A friend has the Yeswelder and said it was pretty decent for smaller stuff like you're talking about https://yeswelder.com/products/firstess-mp200 If I was getting another machine I'd probably look hard at something in this category just for space unless I found reasonable stuff at estate/yard sales in the middle. TIG opens up a lot of material choices and can have really really great welds but it also requires a fair bit of technique. Having a stick welder option is also nice for a lot of things.
 

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Allen, you and I are in the same place. I looked into quite a bit, but as I don't know much about welding. I bought a Lincoln 140 pro at Lowes or Home Depot. I don't remember. I don't remember what I paid for it. I bought extra and some tools. I have no idea what it all cost me.

The stuff I looked into kinda gave me a good idea as to what would be a good choice. Like asking what is the best car maker in the world today. I made my gut choice based on all the stuff I was reading. Hey you can only pick one - right. I used it one time on some soft steel. It came our horrible, and not the machines fault. It was my first ever try at welding. I am pretty sure my helmet is somewhat to blame. The first time I cut down, it fell the wrong way. Oh yell, it is going to be fun learning.

My friend and I are going to take a welding class at the local vocational school as a night course in the fall.

I am interested in where you go with this as I am thinking a very similar interest.
 

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I personally would start with a mig welder using c25 gas. A 120v unit will do from 22 gauge to 1/4” metal easily (can do thicker with more passes). A millermatic 141 would be high on my list, can control the speed and amperage to dial it in on just about any thickness of steel. A class or some lessons from an experienced welder would be good, but you’re a fast learner.
 

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I will look into welding lessons, years ago there was a welder right down the block from my store, he had a limo business but did welding on the side. he actually fixed several types of steel cages I needed as well as some whelled display units, he didnt charge me....he had a shooting range in t6he basement of the limo garage.....i used to go downstairs and rattle off a few hundred rounds with my ak 47 and 0 mm uzi
I didnt question him as to why he had a range.....certain people you just6 dont ask.
hes gone now, so Ill look into some classes somewhere near me.....we are going on a small 4 day road trip in a few weeks, the4n Ill be looking for a program to help me with my weight, but Ill look into welding.
its something Ive wanted to do for a long timeIll ask my friend nicky dowsn the street, we are close friends, and he owned a body shop for 4 decades before he retired, maybe he can get me to the right p;erson.
 

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My #2 son and I were working together and still have a full metal working shop, though after my pacemaker was installed and the doc said "stay away from high frequency and high energy arcs", I pretty much had to back out of the business and let him have it. I still help, but no more welding or plasma cutting for me. I'm not even allowed to open the hood on a running car any more.

Ryan gave you some pretty good advice, but the first and most important thing you need is a very fire proof work area and a few decent size fire extinguishers. A woodworking shop is totally the wrong place to play with fire and sparks. Don't do it in the basement of your home either. We started working outdoors in the driveway and built a metal workbench on the edge of the driveway. This area was safer, but grinding sparks set fire to the lawn, so not a good place either. A metal storage shed would be good for starters, if you laid patio blocks or brick or poured concrete for a floor. Plan on having at least one 50 amp or more 240 volt outlets and at least two 120 volt 20 amp outlets in this shed too. One 120 volt outlet is for the lighting. The other (or more) are for the grinders and other smaller tools. Our metal and welding shop is now in a 40 X 60' steel building behind his house and it has it's own 200 amp 240 volt electric service, which is marginal for what gets done in there.

Take a class or two to get started. A 120 volt welder may be OK for ornamental welding, but a 240 volt welder with gas capability will make it easier and do a better job. Our goto mig is a Miller 252.
A plasma cutter will make cutting very fast and easy, but the edge of the cut is melted and irregular. A cold cutting metal saw, similar to a wood cutting circular saw, will let you make nice clean straight cuts (use a guide fence/straight edge and the carbide blade will last longer. You will need several right angle 4-5" grinders, two for starters. One for cutting disks and one for grinding disks. It won't be long before you will want a hand held band saw too.

Metal is best purchased from metal distributors, and it's most commonly available in 20' lengths. Most will cut it in half for you to aid in transport. If you want more, or more precise cuts you will pay several dollars for each cut. Don't plan on putting any of it in that New Mercedes. It's covered in black sticky oil for rust protection. This is one reason why I have a 1996 Dodge Dakota pickup. It's not pretty, but it's reliable. A small trailer will do for starts. Don't forget tie-downs and clamps.

If the ornamental work is small, you can bend with your hands around a pipe in a vice or something. Beyond 1/8-1/4" you are going to need a real bender. A Big hammer, a Big Anvil, and a big vise are alternatives, but will have the neighbors complaining about the noise.

A good Oxy & Acetylene torch will help with bending and some cutting.

A couple of slogans frequently seen on welding shop signs -

* If you see me running, try to keep up!

* You know you're a pro welder when you can tell what part of you is burning by the smell.
(Pro welders usually won't stop mid bead, unless their clothing fire gets out of control)

* A sign facing the neighbors homes should say -

Blue flickering light from this facility is normal. Orange is not.

For me, 1st & 2nd degree burns have been quite common, but thankfully small, so far.

I can likely help with any setup questions you may have. If you get too advanced I may need to ask my son for the answer.

Charley
 

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Oh, clothing -

Burn holes or worse from welding and grinding are frequent and common in your clothing and sometimes worse when doing this. We frequently get new outfits from the local thrift shops to wear when playing with metal.

For safety gear you, of course, need a good welding hood, Full Face Shield, High topped leather gloves, a welders leather or fireproof jacket, Leather full length apron, Safety glasses, Dark Safety glasses, solid cloth (not plastic) hat frequently kept wet, baseball type is acceptable for starters, and high top boots (inside pant legs). A fume mask that fits under the welding helmet is good to have too. No pants cuffs either (they catch sparks). Long sleeved 100% cotton shirts, buttoned to the neck and wrists when welding.

This is the hottest job you will likely ever do, especially in the Summer Time, and not just because you are working with fire and hot metal. Keep the sparks on the outside of your clothing and don't expose any skin to the Infra Red energy given off by welding.

Charley
 

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I worked one summer as a helper for two fabricators in a steel fabrication plant. We cut the beams and columns to length; cut whatever holes were necessary; welded bearing plates and base plates on the ends as required.

My job was mainly to remove the slag and grind square the cut ends so that plates could be welded on properly. One of my jobs was to hold a base plate in place so that one of the fabricators could tack weld it in place. After making the request a few times they let me try my hand at tack welding on a plate. My tack welds were so bad that they had to grind them off and start over again. Thus ended my career as a welder. From then on the only thing related to welding that I was permitted to do was chip off the slag after the fabricators did the welding.

For the rest of the summer I worked on squaring up cut beams and columns and grinding off slag from burning steel to length.

When it comes to welding I took my lessons from Sergeant Schultz, "I know nutting, I know nutting."

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Well, all that likely scared you off of welding, but there is a lot of good that can come from metalworking, once you have the capability.

When I decided that I needed wheels under my 52" Unisaw, the price of a good frame and wheels of the right design to fit was hundreds of dollars. I liked the HTC design, but not the price. Then I found out that HTC was having a fire sale to get rid of some models that weren't selling. I looked through their list of those in the sale and picked out one that had the wheels, brakes, and over all shape of what I needed and ordered it. The price they sold it to me barely covered the shipping costs. When it came, I figured out what needed to change to fit my saw, cut it apart and stretched the dimensions by adding 1 X 2" square pipe pieces where needed, and welded everything back together. The HTC frame had a dark gray metallic paint on it and Lowes had a rattle can of metallic gray paint that proved to be a perfect match. I ground the welds smooth and painted them and new added metal with that paint and it was a perfect match to HTC's color. So now I have a perfect fitting Unisaw wheeled base that looks exactly like the custom made HTC base, at a total out of pocket cost of less
than $30.

We wanted a good reliable DC stick welder with TIG capability, but at the time, the prices for new or even almost new were beyond financial reason. I found and bought a "package deal" of an old Miller DialArc welder with TIG torch, a Century MIG welder, 5 owned gas bottles, a small oxy-acetylene torch set, hand tools and supplies from the estate of a former welder and bought it all for $600, then proceeded to clean and fix up the welders. The Century proved to be more of a toy, but a clean up and paint job made it desirable and it sold easily for $140.

Since the Miller DialArc Welder was very short, we made an equal size frame out of 1 X 2" square steel pipe and put it on top of the dolly wheels and base that came with the DialArc, then put the DialArc on top of this frame. Inside the frame became space for the TIG Cooler, also DIY, and the Foot Pedal, plus parts for the TIG torch, etc. to make it a complete and easily wheeled package, but then I found some 30' #2 welding cable extensions in the boxes, so they are now cleaned up, coiled, and on top of the DialArc for use when needed. This is now a significant workhorse of a shop welder.

Since the largest gas bottle was "too big" to handle easily, and not a size presently in the gas company's exchange program, I traded it to the gas company for a smaller personally owned bottle and some friendship of the gas company. The rest were readily exchanged for full personally owned bottles at the usual refill cost. Buying one of these bottles new runs about $140 each, so you can see that between the welders and the gas bottles, it was a pretty good deal, and this is not even considering the supplies and other items that came in the deal.

Be careful about buying gas bottles from private sellers. The following is the National Welders way of doing business here. Smaller welding supply facilities will have different, and usually more relaxed rules and prices, but they are rapidly being bought up by National Welders.

Know what sizes are accepted for exchange, and know what the top ring around the valve that's showing ownership means. Many people rent their gas bottles and then never return them, then years later try to sell them. If you buy one that belongs to the gas company, they will confiscate it and charge you the past due rent when you bring it in for refill. You will be out what you paid, plus this overdue rent, which can be up to $100 or so per year, and you will be back to needing to buy or rent a bottle of gas to use yourself. Privately owned bottles have no writing on this top ring. Make sure when you exchange a bottle with no owner label on this ring that the exchange has no owner label on it's ring too. Gas company names for companies that no longer exist are considered owner bottles too, since there are no records for them. The larger the bottle, the cheaper the gas in it costs per cubic foot. Basically, you are paying part of the gas charge as a per bottle refill handling fee.

Charley
 

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I was looking into a little TIG welding for a hobby project. Was looking for a buddy where I could get a little TIG time in.
Guy says to me "Can you weld?" Hurt my feelings but he quickly said I mean your heart.
I have an installed D-Fib. Checked with Company that made it they said NO welding. Even if I had the control box removed I would still have 2 leads (read that as antennas) into my heart.
I had welded some while I was young. Old Fart now. Back then not the best welder around but I did OK.
So I picked up a used small Oxy & Acetylene rig for about $200. Did my welding and surprised myself. It came out better than I expected.
I worked many years at a Nuke Plant. No connection to MT Dept or welding but I had a few lessons from some very good TIG welders. Guess it paid off.
Learn what a stack of dimes means to welders and how difficult it is to stack them all very pretty. It is all about pushing the puddle.
 

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One summer when I was in high school, my dad's company needed a swamper on a drill rig on a remote area of the Navajo reservation. (The site was 40 miles of dirt road from the nearest civilization, the Greasewood Trading Post.) The company had several drill rigs -- primarily for getting soil samples -- but this was a water drilling rig, and we were drilling for a water well. I was not a good swamper, I lasted only a week, but that was where I got my one and only welding experience. Like most drill rigs, this one had an arc welder on the bed of the truck. One afternoon I told the driller that I'd never welded, so he fired up the welder and let me just try running a bead on a piece of scrap steel. I laid down about 6" of the most boogered-up looking melted metal known to man. After the driller got done laughing, he coiled up the leads and put everything away. That was the last time I welded, lol.
 

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my7 buddy nicky stopped by before and I questioned him about welding. he said he welds, no p;roblem...he talks .with his hands, hes italian, and everything is no problem, and he waves his hands. he talks with his hands. when Im ready, he said he will help me get the equipment and teach me how to weld.
hes one of the guys I showed how to make the pvc birds.
now that hes retired, body shop business, he has alot of free time.

as long as its not a huge investment Im going to look into it
 

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I have done a little wire feed and I used to own a stick welder, I prefer the wire feed. I never was a pro but I could lay a decent bead and fuse to pieces together without much splatter. I'd need to practice again to get a decent weld. I had a friend once who was a nuclear qualified welder now he could weld, my dad had an expression that "he could weld anything from a broken heart to the crack of dawn". I never was that good.
 

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One of the YouTube channels I watch is Matt's Off-Roar Recovery (MORR). He and his crew do quite a bit of welding and metal fabrication in the building and maintenance of their vehicles. He's got a young (21 year old) gal working for him named Lizzy. She's as cute as a Golden Retriever puppy, but she's a cowgirl/tomboy to the core. She started working for Matt primarily as a helper to hold the camera and to be the driver in the vehicles he recovers, but has turned into a valuable hand on the team. She seems fearless, doesn't complain about getting muddy or greasy, and it seems she's good at everything she does. Two or three years ago Matt decided to show her how to weld, and she picked it up very quickly. I think these days she's the best welder in the shop. She can stack dimes like nobody's business. :thumb:
 

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This is probably a bit of the cart before the horse, but just throwing some ideas your way.


Hobart has quite a few video tutorials for projects.

For decorative embellishments or pre-cut pieces, king metals and a few others sell online.

Check with your local metal shop or a fence builder that may carry castings and punched pieces too, my local one has quite a selection.
 

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I'm of the 'Grinder and Paint, Makes a welder what he aint' crowd. I will say though theres something really fun about being able to stick a few pieces of metal together. I've got a lincoln wire feed with some some of the welding gas hooked up to it. Used to have a little welder I'd have to use flux core with, and that was 'ok' but I really prefer using the gas bottle.
 

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A copy of the King Metals Catalog will provide these cheaper.

Charley
 
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