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larry merlau

larry merlau

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the stressfull times and some of us with close connections to a few of the items posted recently, have caused some heated words and banter that this forum wasnt set up to tolerate.. yes we all have times when we need to vent but this forum isnt the place for it according to the rules that you the forum members have agreed to. we all sometimes tread on the thin line to voice our opinions at times, and we all need to try and avoid going there..we need to look at what we are about to post and think if its really worth it. do you want to make another member upset? cause of what yu or they may take from these words that are about to be posted.. we are here to be a family oriented forum that means (get along with each other) not pick fights or criticize some one or there beliefs. thanks for listening, and i hope we can continue on from here in a friendly family manner..
 
Thank you Larry.

I apologize to one and all for anything I did or posted that may have caused someone to be upset, that was not my intent. :eek:

This place is very important to me, and special, and so are all of you. :)

Respectfully

Stu
 
I understand that we all agreed to the coc when we signed up with this forum and we should abide by it. What I don't understand is why some people can start talking politics on an unpolitical post, get the original post deleted, and the trouble makers get a pass.

An apology means very little to me when I know that person would do the same thing again without hesitation.
 
David Freed said:
I understand that we all agreed to the coc when we signed up with this forum and we should abide by it. What I don't understand is why some people can start talking politics on an unpolitical post, get the original post deleted, and the trouble makers get a pass.
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You know, Larry, the same question has occurred to me. Any answers????
 
David Freed said:
I understand that we all agreed to the coc when we signed up with this forum and we should abide by it. What I don't understand is why some people can start talking politics on an unpolitical post, get the original post deleted, and the trouble makers get a pass.

An apology means very little to me when I know that person would do the same thing again without hesitation.
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"If" this is directed at me, David, I'd expect you to have the stones to man up and do so directly. :wave:
 
Put the guns away cowboys and lets get back to woodworking. We have had enough drama for one day.

Larry posted this to make the point lets live and let live life is too short man.:wave::D
 
Nancy, Dave

When this forum started we wanted it to be a friendly place without the discorse other forum have turned into. Thats why the CoC was written.

This is the Code of Conduct ("CoC") we expect all members to follow:

  • Verifiable e-mail addresses are required for registration. In an effort to prevent drive-by trolling, no Hotmail, Yahoo, MSN or Gmail accounts are accepted without permission. You are welcome to join if you have no other e-mail address available, but we'd like to get to know you a bit first. Please contact the Webmaster if you have no other address available.
  • Real first and last names are required. Folks tend to be more civil when they use their real name.
  • No cursing, including use of substitute characters as all or part of a word instead of cursing.
  • No posting of porn, nudity or suggestive pictures.
  • No politics, no religion. If you even think it might be considered political or religious, it is. Please don’t post it.
  • Don’t post anything that would not be considered “family friendly”.
  • No commercial ads.
  • No bashing other forums or other members.
  • If you work for a company or an industry that provides products or services for woodworking, you must state that in your user profile, and you must put a note or signature line on your posts so other people know your affiliation.
You may not consider it political but it was controlversal enough that it offended many.
This is a woodworking forum so we need to keep it that way. If you want to have these kinds of discussion, why don't you take it to fox new or one of the other program where those type of posts are welcome.
 
And, pray tell, how would my post have been considered not "family friendly????"

And I stand behind David Freed's question. Do you have an answer??
 
just to add to what`s been said......

anybody who believes that the coc is not the type of document best used to govern this forum is able and encouraged to draft changes and put them up for discussion........if there`s enough interest we`ll hold a vote...(ya did register to vote right?;))
this place is designed to be flexable but it does require the majority to agree on changes.
 
I'll agree that we should all do as we agreed to when we joined the forum.

However this idea that someone said something that made someone else angry or mad is absurd.
The person gets mad or angry because of what they think about what the other person said its their own thoughts that made them mad or angry. So they need to control their own thoughts.

Yes the person posting needs to follow the C.o.C.
 
to any that have been involved in this unfortunate series of events.. is this banter and critcisum or chatter worth causing the forum to loose members or moral..? would you act like this and or say this type of stuff in frt of your family? the family forum stands for just that .. reliable, respective, helpful, and most of all supportive not what we have seen today!!!!!
 
Rob Keeble said:
Put the guns away cowboys and lets get back to woodworking. We have had enough drama for one day.

Larry posted this to make the point lets live and let live life is too short man.:wave::D
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Which I did Rob, but then to be accused of being a "Trouble Maker" (I'm the only one who has apologized for my actions)..... well, I am fairly certain that if you were called out like this Rob, you would not sit on your hands, nor should you :D

Nancy, you clearly thought that your post could be taken as "Political" if that was not an honest assessment, then why the big "Please read this until the end before you call this political" introduction :dunno:

David, I've been here a while and I have seen on multiple occasions how this kind of post can tear the fabric of the forum asunder, it does no good in the end, no one is going to change their opinion about things because of one post on this forum, all it does is create problems. While you obviously do not see the post that Nancy made as "Political" I and many other did, and when I first came upon the post I found that not only did I consider it political, but the first moderator on the scene, was actually supporting the post being posted, which to me was not only a rules violation by the original poster, but a look the other way attitude by one of our moderators. I'll apologize for hurting feelings, like I said, that was not my intent, and I'll apologize for the extra burden on the mods, but what I'll not apologize for is pointing out a rule violation, OK, let me qualify that, a rule violation, in my opinion, and then a validation of said violation by a moderator. I think it is the responsibility of all the members here, and in our society in general (not just the US) to bring up and point out when we see the rules being broken and the authorities in said society, turning a blind eye, because they happen to agree with the rule breaking.

All of this could have been avoided if we had stuck to the rules of not posting things political, or as they rules clearly state....

"No politics, no religion. If you even think it might be considered political or religious, it is. Please don’t post it."

....but Nancy felt strongly enough about the content of her post to ignore this rule and post it anyways, not only that, when she returned to the scene, by her comments, she was not surprised in any way that the post had caused this much trouble.

I'll then ask a question, if I may, when a member posts something that they know will cause strife and trouble on the board, why is there repercussions to this action?

Nancy, David?

Since you seem to be call me out, I'll at least have the decency of asking you directly, do you have an answer to my question?

My answer is to follow the rules and NOT post this kind of thing in the future, maybe we can learn something from this episode, I'm learning that you have to fight to make sure the rules are followed, and I hold this place dear enough to do so.

If you do not like my take on this subject, tough toe nails, my opinion and point of view is as valid as any other member.

Stu
 
larry merlau said:
to any that have been involved in this unfortunate series of events.. is this banter and critcisum or chatter worth causing the forum to loose members or moral..? would you act like this and or say this type of stuff in frt of your family? the family forum stands for just that .. reliable, respective, helpful, and most of all supportive not what we have seen today!!!!!
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Larry, would you stand by, in a family situation, if you saw said family members breaking the law, or being abusive?

I know you would not, you would step up and say your peace, that is that I am doing, or trying to do. The fact that what I see as breaking the rules or abuse is not what someone else sees, is just part of the human condition, but in the end, I have to go with what I think is correct.


Now I'm off to make some sawdust, I'll be happy to take this up in 5 or 6 hours from now.

Stu
 
larry merlau said:
"the family forum stands for just that .. reliable, respective, helpful, and most of all supportive"/QUOTE]

This aspect is why I, and probably the most of us have joined FFW, time to go back to that. I enjoy this forum immensely and plan to continue. ALL of you here have been instrumental in my love for woodworking, and I plan on KEEPING it that way. Thank you Larry and EVERYONE, nowback to woodworking:wave:
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Actually Larry yes... people in my family are held accountable for their actions. ALL members of the family are called out if they are acting inappropriately, and "just to prove a point" doesn't fly so well where I come from. No one has even mentioned once Stuart's use of "Since KaLea has decided" in his first pot stirring thread... no one has even addressed the fact that that was being rude and disrespectful directly to me... not in message, but on the open forum. You can see why some people may think that there are people here who are above the rules.
 
Stuart Ablett said:
Larry, would you stand by, in a family situation, if you saw said family members breaking the law, or being abusive?

I know you would not, you would step up and say your peace, that is that I am doing, or trying to do. The fact that what I see as breaking the rules or abuse is not what someone else sees, is just part of the human condition, but in the end, I have to go with what I think is correct.


Now I'm off to make some sawdust, I'll be happy to take this up in 5 or 6 hours from now.

Stu
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i am headed to bed stu but yu knew the rules going in and chose to not abide by them and therefore causing more trouble.
 
Stuart Ablett said:
...they rules clearly state....

"No politics, no religion. If you even think it might be considered political or religious, it is. Please don’t post it."

....but Nancy felt strongly enough about the content of her post to ignore this rule and post it anyways...
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I doubt Nancy felt it was political (where were 'politics' even mentioned?), nor did she ignore the rules.

Personally, I saw nothing wrong with her post. I even copied it and sent to several (non-forum) friends.

Perhaps some of those who were so offended were upset because some of the post's points hit so close to home?
 
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