flat vrs spinny?

Don Baer said:

No only an architect could come up with such an inane question. You sound like an architect..

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"Inane" that is a pretty big word...sounds like an engineer
Yes you have and Architect that actually knows how to build for real in the midst....now you have a problem.

Flat? what does flat mean? nothing is really flat unless you want to refer to a 2d image ie a drawing....which if done correctly (like only an architect can do) can also look 3d ..... so thus there lies the problem flat has no real meaning in the woodworking relm as everything is done in 3 dimensions

Spinny? what does that mean? what kind of medium are we talking about? Clay? Ice? Wood? Dough? Ever see the movie "Ghost" heck that was spinny work they were doing...

Sorry Larry could not resist

I vote for curvilinear 3d forms

I hope that your comments are tongue in cheek and that you are not really a jerk.

Chuck Rodekohr said:

I hope that your comments are tongue in cheek and that you are not really a jerk.

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Nahh Pual's just being Pual. What can you expect from an from one of those guys.

I just might get a lathe some day. But, until that day, I am too busy doing real work on real projects.

Paul B Cresti said:

"Inane" that is a pretty big word...sounds like an engineer
Yes you have and Architect that actually knows how to build for real in the midst....now you have a problem.

Flat? what does flat mean? nothing is really flat unless you want to refer to a 2d image ie a drawing....which if done correctly (like only an architect can do) can also look 3d ..... so thus there lies the problem flat has no real meaning in the woodworking relm as everything is done in 3 dimensions

Spinny? what does that mean? what kind of medium are we talking about? Clay? Ice? Wood? Dough? Ever see the movie "Ghost" heck that was spinny work they were doing...

Sorry Larry could not resist

I vote for curvilinear 3d forms

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hey its ok folks paul is a alright guy,, and yup he is an ariteck and very good model builder... so my interpetation of flat work paul is anything not done on a lathe.. and the spinny stuff is lathe work only not using a drill to make holes.. yu need to have a refesher course in red neck poor english paul

Nice to see you pop by Paul, I hope you and yours are doing well!

Lifes too short to not joke around guys......I just figured I would lighten things up a bit....besides "spinny" is part of "flatwork" in my book.

Every project I do has some sort of curve.....it is the Architect in me

Having grow-en up in a builders family we used to have a saying to be a real good Architect you need the experience of working on the job swinging a hammer for at least 5 years to be a real good Architect.

You need to understand my Dad who is a can do Seabee from WWII will be 88 in January is of the older generation that can start with the bare ground & do every part of building a house from there on up. That doesn't mean he always did it that way its not cost effective. But he always put in his own foundation because as he always said this is where I get my square plumb house. Dad was also licensed electrician & plumber. He generally always had the concrete flat work roofing & insulation & sheet rock subcontracted. While the insulation & sheet rock were being installed & the concrete flat work being done he would build all the cabinets for the house.

The same goes for an engineer. I have a friend that worked in the early time of the computer industry. He had a young engineer that sent him down prints to build a case & he took them back to the young engineer & told him there is no way I can build this as engineered. If I broke this up as you have it engineered I would never be able to get it out of the sheet metal break & the YOUNG engineer told him he had to do it that way. So Bill went to the owner with which he had worked side by side to start the company & had the YOUNG engineer transferred to work in the shop underneath him after working in the shop for a few years he started to turn into a pretty good engineer. The last Bill heard he was doing great & in charge over a large shop with many men working for him.

Bart,
You are sooo correct in your statement. I deal with so many "designers" these days that have no idea what different materials can and can not do. Coming up with new ways to use materials is one thing but you need to understand how the material works and reacts to its surroundings first.

I always laugh (on the inside) of some of these people come up with. Funny thing is as we speak I crafted a very large Architectural model for our firm for a competition out in Dubai. It had internal LED lighting with (2) exterior 12v transformers.....yes you guessed it they blew out the transformers after the second lighting....but wait there is more. Our office in Dubai has engineers in it!!! so one would think that the electrical engineers there could fix it right??? but noooo they do not have a stinkin clue!!

Although this is hijacking the thread I must say that I agree to a certain extent to what you're saying.

My perception of it is that there are too many mediocre and badly or insuficiently formed people in every profession, if you happen to find one of those things like the ones you explain tend to happen.

Being an industrial designer myself I tend to design things that I know I could build myself or that I know enough the processes involved to build them.

Does that mean that I need to be a specialist in everything? definitely not, but I need to have enough knowledge of everything to be able to discuss with other professionals about how a project should, could or would be done and not take their word for granted because it is my job to push them to their maximum.

Many times it is not necessary to know how to do a thing but it is necessary to be able to imagine and visualize it and put that challenge to the specialist engineers or technicians to make it and not everybody can do that.

Jules Verne imagined man landing on the moon and travelling under the seas and he didn't know how to achieve it. But he planted the seed that in the following years made it come true.

My two cents

Toni I find it interesting that you spoke of Jules Verne.

Dad for saw 40-45 years ago houses being hauled down the road in sections to the building site & assembled. Whole house sections being picked up by crane & set as the second stories. He also for saw helicopters being used to lift house sections. These things are now being done. I don't believe that even some of the people he worked with understood or believed what he predicted.

At the time Dad predicted these things he was a field engineer for Western Homes they prefabbed houses & hauled the house to the site on trailers & assembled them.

You speak of your Dad a lot. He must be a pretty cool guy!!

My first house was a Grossman Home. Made in the 50's I think. I bought it in the early 70's. The quality back then was no near the quality of today's homes. It's amazing to me that they can make such high quality homes, deliver them in sections and have you moving in a few days later