How long do you have your computer on at home?

Rob Keeble

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I am in the process of a complete overhaul of my computing needs and configuration. For some of my desires computing technology for man in the street has finally come of age at a still high but more reasonable price.

But being techie in my past ;) i am doing the research and some of my research on this subject has me thinking even further than i had intended about how to manage my computer needs. I expect my purchase to last me at least 5 years so i got to factor in the future as i see it not just cater for now.

I thought for the sake of some of our either older or non techie guys here, there might be some value in some of my findings for you, so hence my post.


You may be thinking heck all i use the computer for is XYZ and i dont need a new computer. You may be correct. But an area you may wish to consider that is having me rethink this issue is monthly running cost.

I dont know what you pay for electricity in your location but depending on how long you have either TV or computer on in the home and depending on its type of technology there could be some significant savings to be had by not purchasing a new computer but upgrading something as simple as the power supply.

I cut my teeth on power supply design way back in the day when i was still in an R&D lab and its kinda been a softspot with me ever since.

In deciding on my new computer, i have been forced into consideration of what power supply to purchase. ( I dont buy a whole computer i buy parts). When you plan on running a multicore processor and high end graphics card then you need serious amounts of power and it may sound ridiculous but having a computer consume 1KW per hour is not out of the question today.

So this begs the question if you aint using the processing power using a computer like the type requiring a 1kw supply is a total waste of electric power and hence money if its just to pick up your email or post a thread on the forum or read the news online.

My answer is multiple computers more dedicated to specific tasks but bear in mind i am self emloyed and use my computers for business purposes as well as private use.

Toms post on buying a smart phone and his router needs had me think its worth sharing that in the case of a smart phone you not only getting the phone value but also getting a fully fledged computer that consumes a percentage of the power any of your current ones do. This is by far the most economical computer around today. Nothing says you have to have the phone part. So if you purchased it outright you could still hook it up to wifi at home and be online. And for that matter run skype as a free phone at home.

But the advances in power supplys also have me thinking there is viable economic gains to be had in taking my old computers that will still be used and upgrading only the power supply part.

The key here is for around $50 give or take, one can buy a plug in replacement power supply with far greater efficiency and in my calculations within a little more than a year have paid for the new power supply. Thats with the assumption that the computer is on for an average of say 5 hours a day 365 days of the year. But it all depends on what you pay for power. We think we pay around 9- 11 cents per kw. But in actual fact its only because of clever admin engineering on our bills. Its actually more like 25cents per kw because we have a never ending debt recovery charge on our bill that tends to more than double the cost of the kw if you take total bill and divide by kw consumed. To me it dont matter what they call it, its what i am paying out.

But i would go even further on how the more advanced devices can save you money. If you more often than not merely a consumer of content and not in the business of generating content or use of cad, project management, excell spreadsheets etc and dont need the abilities of a whole computer you might want to consider getting rid of the whole thing and buying youself a tablet. Note to Apple fans there are other tablets out there other than the IPAD that also work. :)


Be warned though if you use sketchup you will still need your computer.

Getting rid of the whole computer will save you the power your screen consumes and if you still happen to be using a CRT (cathode ray tube) monitor (the old ones like the tvs) then i am pretty sure that the savings you will experience with a tablet and scraping your computer entirely will more than pay for the tablet in short notice. And dont think that means you have to go without having a keyboard and learning to type on glass.There are tablets out there that allow for a keyboard like a docking station so you still have normal keys.

Its really time to examine the whole power consumption aspect of the devices we use and consider what they doing to our monthly bills. But i think its equally important to consider what you need it for and how you will use it.

Upgrading may cost some capital but it will be offset by the long term savings of the reduced power consumption.

There are several other benefits to be had if you have light processing power needs to be gained by the new tablet generation but i wanted to focus on the economic benefits given our retired folk here and people on fixed incomes. Remember every dollar saved can be repurposed to buy more wood or other tools :) rather than hand over to the power company.
 
I hadn't thought much about power consumption on my computers, but you raise a good point. I have a computer in LA that's on 24/7 that I connect to remotely from time to time. It has a 700 watt power supply in it. When I built the computer in 2008, it was my hot rod box and it was geared to run anything I threw at it. These days, it's not working very hard at all, and when it does, it's only doing easy stuff...no heavy lifting. The computer does go into sleep mode after a period of time, so I don't think I'm sucking the full 700 watts full time, but still, I could probably drop an old 250w power supply in it these days and have it work just fine. My ABQ computer is a laptop that I use at home and at the office. When it's home, it's plugged in and burning watts, but here again, it goes to sleep if I'm not using it.

At this point, between photograph stuff and work stuff that I do at home, I'm doubtful there's a tablet on the market that could suit my needs. And although I use my phone for a lot of computer tasks, the interface doesn't allow me to do all the computer chores I need to do.
 
Computers are a fact of life in homes these days, like refrigerators. Mine is on 24/7 if we are at home. It goes into a sleep mode after a period of time. If I leave the house for 24 hours or more I do turn it off. Haven't a clue about size of the power supply. It's about 6"X4"X......;).:rofl:
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Which one :rofl:

Our backend server is on 24x7, its a lighter weight server CPU wise and has no real video but does have a lot of disks in it (they spin down and park when not in use, but still take non trivial power). The front end machine running the TV and stereo also runs 24x7, but its a lightweight utility machine (no disk ssd only, super efficient cpu). Most day-to-day is done on a tablet or on a couple of laptops which all power save pretty nicely.

We ran for a while with a "TED 5000" energy monitor which was pretty interesting. Turned out that the laser printer IN SLEEP MODE (from which it takes a good 5 minutes to wake up :rolleyes:) was still ~25% of our ongoing power usage (and it was a newer power saving system). That was on top of ~4 fridge/freezers (its complicated :D) and a bunch of other stuff.

Where I'm at now power is about $0.07/kwh so actual cost is very low. In Hawaii it was over 30 (I have a friend there who's been installing solar, the payback is around 2 years on average so he's done pretty good business).
 
Mine is a laptop. I usually leave it on 24/7, unless I'm going away for a couple of days or more. Your antivirus system and some other programs probably do overnight checks. When I worked for the government, we left ours on 24/7 because security and software upgrades were downloaded overnight, and the computers usually lasted the three years between hardware upgraades. These weren't always top of the line brand name computers, either.
 
I have several = my laptops are on 24/7 along with my iPad (it is a computer Ned) my desktops are shutdown when not in use. I know I should be more power consummation aware but it is so easy to forget.
 
I only have two that run full time anymore. One is my server, which I run a couple of VM's on as needed for out-dated software and linux. The second is in my shop and will be decommissioned soon, but gets left on to heat the shop office in the winter months, at least keep it from getting down to freezing, usually stays 50* on cold winter days.
 
Which one :rofl:

We ran for a while with a "TED 5000" energy monitor which was pretty interesting. Turned out that the laser printer IN SLEEP MODE (from which it takes a good 5 minutes to wake up :rolleyes:) was still ~25% of our ongoing power usage (and it was a newer power saving system). That was on top of ~4 fridge/freezers (its complicated :D) and a bunch of other stuff.

Where I'm at now power is about $0.07/kwh so actual cost is very low. In Hawaii it was over 30 (I have a friend there who's been installing solar, the payback is around 2 years on average so he's done pretty good business).

ok ryan, i think i heard you right that the printer used more power than the fridge did? and that it was 25% of your electric bill??? if so then i think i need to turn of the printer and the puters if they eat that much juice..
 
Mine is only on when it's in use. I actually use a power strip to turn mine completely off once I shut it down. We shut it down whenever a storm is coming, we go out and when we go to bed for the night. By shut down I mean absolutely no power is applied to any part of the desk top system.
 
ok ryan, i think i heard you right that the printer used more power than the fridge did? and that it was 25% of your electric bill??? if so then i think i need to turn of the printer and the puters if they eat that much juice..

That's correct. I was somewhat surprised as well given that its only about 4 years old. Unfortunately the power monitor thing was for the whole house so we basically had to go around unplugging things to figure out where the draw was from, I've since seen some per-breaker monitoring solutions but I'd need to save a whole lot of electricity to get a payback on them :D It was still pretty cool cause you could see the bump when the fridge turned on, the baseline draw, etc... When we first hooked it up there was some "hmm looks kinda high on the baseline" thoughts so we went around unplugging stuff until we saw a big drop - boom laser printer.

Laser printers are bad for power because they use a lot to keep the fuser thingy hot (they apparently have to be around ~400F so its basically a mini heater). This is a medium sized laser "small office" printer (fax, scanner, etc..) and its a few years old (it does have a "sleep mode" but apparently that still keeps the fuser warm so doesn't actually help all that much).

Robs note that newer computer power supplies (and computers) are a lot more efficient is well taken as well. A newer power supply may use as little as ~50% of the power, same with processors, they can be both faster and use less power (especially when idle).

If you're in a high power cost area and your bill is high; getting something like one of these (no recommendations, first click on search for "clamp on power meter", yadda yadda):
http://www.valuetesters.com/amprobe-acd-51nav-600a-ac-trms-navigator-clamp-on-power-meter.html
http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/grcmauelte.html
and looking around for where the high usage devices are could quite possibly pay itself back in a few months.

When we were in Hawaii we had an even older and hungrier laser printer (I think - but don't quote me - that it was an early 90's HP) and when we unplugged it out power bill there dropping IN HALF! (note we had no heating or cooling and not much else running most of the time so.. it was still a lot of draw).
 
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